Lawmakers Look to Redefine Bump Stocks

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives plans to publish an advance notice of proposed rulemaking next week on the interpretation of how a machine gun is defined and how of bump fire stocks and similar devices aline with it.

Set to officially publish to the Federal Register the day after Christmas, the 13-page ANPRM as it stands would open a 30-day window for comments on the subject from the public.

Noting that when the National Firearms Act was established in 1934 — regulating machine gun ownership, possession and use — there were just a “handful” of guns classified as machine guns in circulation, the agency goes on to say that times have changed. Since the use of bump stocks in a shooting in Las Vegas in October that left 58 dead, the ATF has received calls from both the public and Congress to examine past classifications of bump stock devices.

“This ANPRM is the initial step in a regulatory process to interpret the definition of machine gun to clarify whether certain bump stock devices fall within that definition,” says the agency. “If, in a subsequent rulemaking, the definition of machine gun under section 5845 (b) is interpreted to include certain bump stock devices, ATF would then have a basis to re-examine its prior classification and rulings.”

To move toward examining a rule change, regulators want feedback from consumers as to what their experience is with how bump stocks are used and marketed and the prices they have encountered. From manufacturers and retailers of bump stocks, the ATF wants to know how many they have sold, how they were marketed and what would they expect to happen to their business and inventory if they were reclassified as machine guns.

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions earlier this month announced a review of federal law to determine if certain bump stock devices fall within the definition of “machine gun” and falls in line with calls from the National Rifle Association and others to take a second look at the now-controversial attachments.

The ATF deemed bump stock devices as accessories rather than a machine gun in 2010 after manufacturer Slide Fire voluntarily submitted their product to federal regulators for review. Officials said they cleared the device because it “performs no automatic mechanical function when installed” and the shooter must still apply “constant” forward and rearward pressure to the trigger and those associated with that call have defended the ruling.

source: guns.com

  • Alan404

    Times may have changed, which I take it to mean that the political winds blow from various directions. That said, as I understand the term “machinegun”, the thing referenced is a firearm that discharges multiple shots with a single actuation of the trigger. Is that, in some way, incorrect? Do 2 + 2 no longer equal 4. Perhaps someone can clarify.

    • Tom

      If you want to blame this new ruling on anyone, I guess you will have to blame the Las Vegas shooter, and of course that won’t get you any satisfaction, because he is dead and long gone from this world. So I guess if they rule it as a machine gun, we will just have to live with it. I have reservations on saying anything about it, because I called it a toy once before and I was criticized by a person, that apparently either has one, are wants to get one, but I still think it is a toy, because it is not accurate and would only be good if (as the other person said that was criticizing me) you were being attack by a bear.

      • Sloopofwar

        Well said.

        • Tom

          Thanks, I’m glad that you apparently agree with part of what I said, because the last time a made a comment about the bump stock as being a toy, I was really reamed out over my comments. And I just don’t want our 2nd amendment rights taken away from us over a bump stock, that I don’t see any use for. I carry a gun for self defense, as I know a lot of people do, and taking our guns away from concealed permit holders is going to hurt the people that are in fear of their lives, because I guarantee you the bad guys will not follow the law, and if the good guys don’t have weapons to defend themselves the bad guys are going to take over, and there will be a lot more murders, just like there is now in gun free zones just like it is now in places like Chicago and New York where the liberals rule the roost.

          • Sloopofwar

            Totally agree. Personally, I would have no need for a bump stock. But they shouldn’t be banned. Stick to your beliefs. And if you can’t put your opinion out there without people getting mad then so be it. Trust me when I say I get a lot of flack for some of my opinions. But that’s just it. It’s my opinion. You may not agree with it and that’s ok. If I want to feel the full auto thing I can use a hair tie.Works about the same. I also have a CCW. Not required here but there are many benefits here for having one.

          • Magnus Thunderson

            times change as I solid bet you could not get on the internet search about it in 1939 but there be a out cray then if they were still allowed but again like the internet they simply did not exist but now that bump stocks are public knowledge now there a terrorist threat to the USA as we live in a global word and for all you right wing fanatics we never going to lose the right to carry and I carried in NYC it a pain but doable and yes I ex military so I fired full auto and it simply has no place in civilian life unless a zombie invasion

      • Alan404

        Tom:

        What new ruling do you speak of? While there might be one in the offing, a Public Comment runs for 30 days from the day after Christmas as I understand, which is ample time for the public, gun owners included to say NO if so inclined. Additionally, contact with elected representatives is most appropriate, even if it requires taking some time from the sporting extravaganza of the moment. Of course, should gun owners stand chose to stand mute, as they have unfortunately done in the past, their losses will be attribute to their own sloth, aka laziness.

        As to your unnamed critic, do they know the breach end of a firearm from the muzzle end? Strikes me that that is a question yet to be answered.

        • Tom

          I guess I put the cart before the horse, but i am assuming that since the ATF is considering looking at re-evaluating the definition of the machine gun, they’ll probably do it. I know it is going to make a few people unhappy if they change it and make the bump stocks illegal, but as far as I am concerned, I have no use for a bump stock. I’m not against hunting, but I have no desire to kill any animals, for my purpose I only have a concealed weapons permit, so that i can carry a weapon for self defense, like I said I really don’t want to kill anything or anyone, but I do believe in stopping a crazy man that is hell bent on shooting innocent people. And the only reason I call the bump stock a toy, is because since you cannot accurately hit anything with a bump stock, it’s like going out and firing off firecrackers, the only thing is a bump stock is a whole lot more lethal as it was proven in Las Vegas. And the liberals are just looking for any reason to take away our 2nd amendment rights, and I don’t think we should give them the opportunity to take away our rights over a stupid bump stock.

          • Alan404

            Tom:

            Just to keep the record straight, the BATF, re firearms, they are involved with other things too, is a politically driven Mafia type operation that will pull whatever sort of crap it’s political masters direct, and which it can get away with. This said, it has been stopped before, and it can be stopped again, given sufficient public pressure. What it boils down to, as I see it, and perhaps I’m all wet here, is the following. Given sufficient public reaction, adverse reaction, think the Public Comment Period of 30 days, their antics and those of their political masters can be checked. It’s happened before and it can happen again, but the gun owners of this country, along with thinking citizens, need to take action. I believe that that is what it boils down to. I will end here, with the following. should I end up being a powerless voice in the wilderness, at least I tried.

        • pappy450

          I guess apparently you DON’T live in N.Y. WE NORTHERN NY’ers Had no “say” or any “choice” for that matter when “king cuomo” and his henchmen “voted in” the “unsafe act” in the dead of night. “WE” had no “say” and “WE” gunowners squawk all the time…. march, hold rallies, “protest” but our cries fall on DEAF COMMUNIST ears and the liberal DEMOCOMMIES just push their new ‘laws” in whether we make a stink or not. Up here, the DOWNSTATE “cities” RULE, and WE rural “Sheeples” have to “obey” or face the “punishment” dished out by the likes of chuck-you-schumer, gillibrand, and all their cronies in the capital.

          • Alan404

            Pappy:

            I grew up and lived for a number of years in N.Y.C. I departed,never to return in1967, you have one guess,if you care to take it,as to why.

          • pappy450

            I don’t even HAVE to guess. This State run by a communist dictator and his minions that make “laws” in the middle of the night. If I had the funds I would move the hell out of here and to Texas with my son, but I was injured on the job and screwed out of the “settlement” I finally got (after 10 years of workmam’s comp ‘battles”) … by underhanded sleazy “brokers” taking advantage of the “twin Towers” being attacked.

          • Alan404

            I expect you guessed correctly. 1967 was the year NYC enacted LONG GUN REGISTRATION? I testifiedin opposition at the Dog and Pony that were the “hearings”, and departed NYC, as memory serves, at end of September or early October. Choices, choices, one is endlessly faced by choices and the need to make them. By the way, with regard to the multiple attacks on The Twin Towers, there were two, firearms of whatever type one might choose we’re uninvolved, played no role whatever.

          • Magnus Thunderson

            The twin towers were attacked wrongly by a pissed of agent of the USA who assisted in the unofficial war between USA and Russia after we tired to put nuclear silos in our unofficial base there which is the reason the Russia attacked as lets get real the county had no value and some fake claims came out such as Russia wanted access to a waterway which is untrue as it a landlocked county and the reason he hated us was we broke promises of rebuilding which left the county in shit which let the Taliban rise as when there noting to lose you do anything to survive and a 50/50 on right or wrong and they went the wrong way as sadly the wrong way tends to be stronger

          • Magnus Thunderson

            one funny thing the about Afghanistan has value but only know recently as the reason it shit county it a mine for rare earth metals such for Lithium use for our rechargeable battery’s which is nasty to grow any thing in but to unstable for any one to safely mine

    • Daryl

      A machine gun fires many rounds with one pull of the trigger. A bump fire stock replaces the normal stock and allows the stock to move forward and backwards, your finger comes off the trigger for a fraction and then it is repeated until you run out of ammo or stop pushing the rifle forward. Since your finger is actually pulling the trigger every time it is not considered a machine gun. However ATF can make the bump fire stock illegal by changing the definition. More gun rights lost to liberals and the NRA will be blamed because they have given in to the left.

      • Alan404

        Daryl:

        You might be right re your last. if it so turns out, then gun owner sloth is largely to blame. With all due respect I find myself curious regarding the following. Have you recently been in contact with your elected representatives on any matter of concern to you?

        • Daryl

          Yes, I contacted both Senators in Fl. about the Hearing Protection Bill to allow suppressors to anyone that can legally buy a firearm and about the Reciprocity Bill before the Senate. This bill would allow legally concealed firearms owners to travel from state to state without violating any state laws. It is a waste of time for me to contact Senator Bill Nelson as he is a Democrat and will do nothing for the support of gun owners.

          • Alan404

            How much of your time does it take, re contacting your elected reps., even if they disagree, letters and such are likely counted,tallied, the elected thing given the resulting tally,which might provide pause for thought.

          • pappy450

            Not in N.Y. If they even take the time to look at them, and the message is against their CORRUPT communist “agenda” they just toss them in the TRASH. If you are not a DEMOCOMMIE voter In N.Y. State you are considered garbage. “king cuomo” already stated on Nation TV that People like ME (republican, GUN OWNER, sportsman, conservative) are not welcome in “HIS” state. I wrote and told him to send me the MONEY to buy a house in a CONSERVATIVE STATE and PAY to move me out I would GLADLY LEAVE. (no answer… surprise)

    • Terry Butts

      The issue is the ATF has altered the definition to include anything that can make a semi-auto appear to fire at the same rate as a machine gun. I think there was even a case were using a SHOESTRING attached to keep pulling the trigger was declared a modification that made the weapon a machine-gun.

      They even prosecuted a gun repair place over a gun that had the common malfunction of wear on the part that prevented it from firing more than one round per trigger pull simply because the owner did not specifically state it was double firing as the complaint he just knew it was not working correctly.

      Think of it this way cars are required to have mufflers if someone’s car suddenly got noisy and they brought it in for repair do you think it would be right for them to accuse the repair shop or customer of illegally removing or modifying said muffler just because the customer did not specifically say “I think it needs a new muffler” as the complaint.

      • Alan404

        Terry:
        Re the latest from the AFT, I believe that the public comment period has commenced and that it runs till 25 January, plenty of time for gunnies to “take pen in hand”. You might have a look at, if you have not already seen it, at the contact addresses for public comment found in an article in ammoland.com. Hopefully, gun owners will avail themselves of this opportunity to make themselves heard, rather than standing mute, and crying later. Looking at past performances, I tend to wonder though. Of course, given the no of football season, who knows what might happen. Am I a dreamer?

        • Terry Butts

          A lot of people never hear about the comment periods as the mainstream media rarely if ever announce them and they usually time them to coincide with something like football season or other events when those that follow or participate in them are distracted.

          I know several towns who imposed zoning and other ordinances into law by pulling similar stunts have even gone so far as not only failing to announce the vote until after it was over but also to ban having political signs in town so only the few supporters informed about the vote even knew there was an election. In fact in one election back in the 1970’s with a town of 2000 who had just previous voted an overwhelming no on zoning were informed they had another election a few months after and an average of 11 people per district who showed up all voted to pass the measure.

          I get the same sense of manipulation when the ATF announces things like this especially considering the timing of the announcement coupled with the fact so few places have even bothered to mention the comment periods the ATF announce about their decisions.

          Frankly I do not have nor see any reason for a bump stock but I see this move as another attempt to go after semi-automatics falsely implying they function the same as a full auto capable assault rifle simply because as anyone with intelligence knows anyone in a situation that actually calls for firing that fast can do so by simply pulling the trigger faster while it might make their finger soar it is possible to do in an emergency.

          Most likely if they fail to get this they will try and demand a change to all semi-automatics putting a forced delay to how long it takes to put the next shell in the chamber again on the foolish claim that it will somehow save lives when a criminal attacks unarmed victims.

          They should have a link from their site to submit comments on the matter if they do I missed seeing it.

          https://www.atf.gov/

          • Alan404

            comment on ATF rule making found here. Ammoland ([email protected]).

            Re the stunt pulled by communities that you mentioned , I expect that such would be grounds for setting aside such action. Of course, this would involve court action, aka MONEY.

            Otherwise, communities and enforcement agencies etc. should be required to make proper public notice, defined as PROMINENT AND PROLONGED PUBLISHING OF FULL DETAILS OF PROPOSED ACTION. Lacking such notification, said action or procedures should be declared void, unenforceable. By the way, I realize that such action as I offer would likely require John and Jane Q. Public to wake the hell up, which might present a serious problem, though since football season is over, might be accomplished.

          • Terry Butts

            The people in the town tried the sheriff even investigated and took his evidence to a judge. The judge declared the SHERIFF a danger to the people and removed him from office simply for seeking warrants for the individuals the evidence pointed to the evidence he had vanished a short time after he was removed from office.

            This was decades ago and as you said it would take a lot of money to get anything done as well as finding all the now missing evidence.

            Most people from then who could afford to just moved as it was cheaper.

            At least the people exposed as responsible finally either left town to avoid further investigation or were replaced and no longer in public office.

            Hopefully those that replaced them will do a better job and actually follow the restrictions on what they as the government are allowed to do.

  • Bob McCormick

    All the unconstitutional gun control in the world will do nothing to prevent violence.
    The Vegas shooter does not seem to be affiliated with any terror or extremist group, he did not seem to have any sort of ideology behind his actions. What drove him to do what he did was evil, plain and simple. Same goes for Adam Lanza and others; mental illness and evil.
    From trucks loaded with ammonium nitrate to pressure cooker bombs, air planes, cars and trucks to suicide bombers, it’s all about evil and violence.
    So how do we control evil? That is the question we should be asking, not fussing about some easily fabricated rifle accessory

    • Terry Butts

      All gun control is about is protecting the government from the people should the government become the tyrants the second amendment is about protecting the people from.

      If we look to actual news not only are criminals making OUTLAWED everywhere already bombs to use as well as numerous vehicles no one is demanding be restricted or banned over their use as weapons they have even arrested people in numerous nations that have already enacted a 100% ban on civilian ownership of firearms for MAKING FROM SCRATCH all manner of guns including fully automatic actual assault guns that have been banned from civilians since the 1980s era amendment to the law that already restricted the purchase of full auto guns thus prohibiting any new ones made from that point on being sold into the civilian market.

      There was even a national geographic special several years ago that showed a tribe of people living in the hills in one nation that prohibits guns that could by using the same type of tools they have been working metal with for 100’s of years make copies of M16s so accurate the parts were even interchangeable with factory made ones and all they had were those ancient tool designs and abandoned vehicles to harvest metal from.

      In nearly every single case the politicians use as an excuse to demand more restrictions existing gun laws already passed on the PROMISE it would end such crimes were violated yet they expect the American people to be so dumb as to believe that just because criminals violated those laws they will suddenly obey the new ones when everyone with intelligence knows that do not obey any laws that get in the way of their crimes in the first place or they would not be criminals.

  • pappy450

    Perhaps someone should do a REAL “investigation”, BUT of course in MY opinion, this was yet was another “false flag” event designed by the “deep state” to attempt to disarm Law-abiding citizens. There was more than ONE weapon being fired (by the different sounds of the fired rounds) and the videos that were published showing a helicopter firing out of the door above the crowd. I also think that the so-called “shooter” was dead long before the shooting started. AND listening to the firing, this was no ‘bump-stocked” weapon, I have been around Fort Drum N.Y. all my life, and had the pleasure of watching our soldiers in action firing all kinds of FULL-AUTO weapons. These were FULL-AUTO weapons being fired. This “event” will spur just more “cover-ups” and “fake news” to disturb the uneducated and uninformed to get them to call for what the COMMUNIST DEMOCOMMIES/RINOS in this country WANT….. CONFISCATION, of all forms of protection against THEM, Which allows for easy “takeover” of the “law Abiding” gun owners, that are a hindrance to their COMPLETE TYRANNICAL CONTROL over the masses.

    • Daryl

      You are wrong about the full auto weapons being fired, my bump stock will put all 30 rounds in the air at the same time. I was a combat infantrymen in Vietnam so I know what a full auto is. You need to go to YouTube and watch videos about Bump Fire stocks. I also don’t know where you got your information about someone firing from a helicopter but that didn’t happen either. I am pretty sure someone is feeding you a line of crap about this so do your on research. Hope you find some answers soon.

      • pappy450

        The video of the aircraft was shot by a private citizen and posted on the internet until it was all of a sudden PULLED (probably by our deep state “government” operatives). I have fired a “bump stock” and it is nothing but a a piece of GARBAGE. The “videos” you are watching on the internet are “fake news” to Bamboozle you and many other to make you “believe” that they are like a “full auto” in order to push the Anti-gun narrative. BUT you being military you probably think just like SOME of the OTHER military people I know, and was told several times that “civilians” like me should NOT be allowed to own weapons, and guns should be only owned by the military and police. (kind of sounds like the SAME rhetoric that the COMMUNIST DEMOCOMMIES on the news networks spew (including our CORRUPT “governor”) And throughout history just before many people were MURDERED by their own “government”.

        • Daryl

          I am 2nd Amendment all the way. I own 4 bump stocks and enjoy shooting them at a indoor range that rents full autos. I want everyone that wants a bump fire stock to have one but most people cannot afford to shoot 30 rounds of .556 in a few seconds. At .25 cents per round it is easy to go through $40-50. I think everyone should own a gun legally and learn how to use them. However people with mental illness or those not able to own a gun legally should not own one. Just for the record, how many guns do you own and what make, model and caliber are they? No matter what your answer is, I have a lot more guns to loose than you do so I do not want the Government to take any of them away from me. I wish you well.

          • pappy450

            Daryl,
            I have MANY guns, BUT I will NOT “list” them on this open site, because you never know which “government” entity or criminal is monitoring this post. YOU, YOURSELF, are taking a chance by admitting you have those EVIL “bump stocks”… I WILL say, I have one LARGE safe FULL (the biggest I could buy) and 1 smaller one. (from .22 cal up to .358 and various handguns) I too am “second amendment” all the way, a life member of the NRA. HOWEVER I STILL think this whole debacle was a “government” operation “dreamed up” and executed to give the uninformed, uneducated, and we cannot forget the “liberal communists” another “shooting” to squawk about and call for what THEY WANT (and have been pushing for many decades)… complete (CONFISCATION)

  • Thetruth

    This is a joke it is sad that all the people that dies but the fact is that law abiding citizens are the only people that will obey the law is law abiding citizens criminals won’t obey the laws if they or any triggers are regulated it is unconstutional

  • sasquatch1313

    Next, a shooter will shoot from long range. Response, ban all firearms that can accurately fire farther than 100 yds. Once it starts, it will continue.

    Classic landmark case US vs Miller 1939. The Supreme Court opined that the 2nd amendment only applied to ordinary military equipment in use at the time. Other excepts of note:

    “The Second Amendment does not confer upon the people the right to
    keep and bear arms; it is one of the provisions of the Constitution
    which, recognizing the prior existence of a certain right, declares that
    it shall not be infringed by Congress. Thus the right to keep and bear
    arms is not a right granted by the Constitution and therefore is not
    dependent upon that instrument for its source. United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 543; Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, 265; Robertson v. Baldwin, 165 U. S. 275, 281.”

    • Terry Butts

      “Next, a shooter will shoot from long range. Response, ban all firearms that can accurately fire farther than 100 yds.”

      Already happened a long time ago the majority of the “COSMETIC ATTACHMENT ban” that was pushed by Clinton as an assault weapons ban decades ago was about removing and prohibiting things that make guns SAFER by being more accurate or easier to hold/fire along with a few cosmetic only attachments that just made them LOOK similar to weapons SEEN IN MOVIES used by the military as if LOOKING similar made them into the same military select fire assault weapon they resembled instead of the semi-auto hunting rifle that still functions exactly the same as before dressed up to look similar to one seen in movies.

      Then he had the stupidity to throw a tantrum because gun makers COMPLIED WITH THE LAW by no longer adding those optional attachments because he expected them to toss out the entire gun and stop making guns altogether because a few optional attachments were suddenly prohibited. He actually claimed that by COMPLYING with the law and no longer selling the OPTIONAL ATTACHMENTS that were banned that they were CIRCUMVENTING the “SPIRIT OF THE LAW”.

      Last I checked the legal system went by the WORDING of the laws not the WISHFUL INTENT of those behind the law. They actually expected the guns (worth millions) would be thrown away instead of simply complying with the law and having the banned optional attachments removed.

  • Speedy121

    Not a machine gun.
    Bump stock only eases the soreness of your trigger finger.

  • Sarge

    Nothing more then another way for the gun-stoppo to take guns away from the American citizen.

  • Alan404

    I find myself curious about many things, one in particular, that being as follows. The heading of this discussion reads as follows. Lawmakers Look to Redefine Bump Stocks. In actuality, is that “law makers”, aka “elected things”, or “bureaucrats”, they being those faceless wonders who have somehow garnered so much power over the lives and affairs of The Body Politic. On ANY MATTER OF CONCERN, have you been in touch with your elected representatives lately? In not, why?

  • siker3

    Thanks, I’m glad that you apparently agree with part of what I said, because the last time a made a comment about the bump stock as being a toy, I was really reamed out over my comments. And I just don’t want our 2nd amendment rights taken away from us over a bump stock, that I don’t see any use for

  • mr.nice

    Thanks, I’m glad that you apparently agree with part of what I said, because the last time a made a comment about the bump stock as being a toy, I was really reamed out over my comments. And I just don’t want our 2nd amendment rights taken away from us over a bump stock, that I don’t see any use for

  • Marco Ruysch

    Thanks, I’m glad that you apparently agree with part of what I said, because the last time a made a comment about the bump stock as being a toy, I was really reamed out over my comments. And I just don’t want our 2nd amendment rights taken away from us over a bump stock, that I don’t see any use for

  • mark

    All gun control is about is protecting the government from the people should the government become the tyrants the second amendment is about protecting the people from.If we look to actual news not only are criminals making OUTLAWED everywhere already bombs to use as well as numerous vehicles no one is demanding be restricted or banned over their use as weapons they have even arrested people in numerous nations that have already enacted a 100% ban on civilian ownership of firearms for MAKING FROM SCRATCH all manner of guns including fully automatic actual assault guns that have been banned from civilians since the 1980s era amendment to the law that already restricted the purchase of full auto guns thus prohibiting any new ones made from that point on being sold into the civilian market

  • JDMENGEL

    Nothing more then another way for the gun-stoppo to take guns away from the American citizen.

  • Alan404

    Re Proposed Regulations on Bump Stocks, interested parties, which should include most readers here, I would think, hope I’m not wrong can comment as noted below. Comment period runs through 25 January, which should allow sufficient time. Take Pen In Hand people. Don’t let this slide. Crying later on accomplishes nothing worth while. Comment can also be addressed to your elected representatives,and likely should be too.

    Written comments must be submitted to ATF no later than thirty (30)
    days after publication in the Federal Register. Comments should be
    identified by docket number (2017R-22), by any of the following methods:
    – Federal eRulemaking Portal: http://www.regulations.gov. ( Click the Leave a Comment Button)
    – Fax: (202) 648-9741

    Mail: Vivian Chu, Mailstop 6N-518, Office of Regulatory Affairs,
    Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms,
    and Explosives, 99 New York Ave. NE, Washington D.C. 20226. ATTN:
    2017R-22.

  • Jrme

    I find myself curious about many things, one in particular, that being as follows. The heading of this discussion reads as follows. Lawmakers Look to Redefine Bump Stocks. In actuality, is that “law makers”, aka “elected things”, or “bureaucrats”, they being those faceless wonders who have somehow garnered so much power over the lives and affairs of The Body Politic

  • Jonathan

    I expect you guessed correctly. 1967 was the year NYC enacted LONG GUN REGISTRATION? I testifiedin opposition at the Dog and Pony that were the “hearings”, and departed NYC, as memory serves, at end of September or early October. Choices, choices, one is endlessly faced by choices and the need to make them

  • pehta

    Nothing more then another way for the gun-stoppo to take guns away from the American citizen.

  • HeadShot

    Tom:Just to keep the record straight, the BATF, re firearms, they are involved with other things too, is a politically driven Mafia type operation that will pull whatever sort of crap it’s political masters direct, and which it can get away with. This said, it has been stopped before, and it can be stopped again, given sufficient public pressure

  • Samuel Grob

    The people in the town tried the sheriff even investigated and took his evidence to a judge. The judge declared the SHERIFF a danger to the people and removed him from office simply for seeking warrants for the individuals the evidence pointed to the evidence he had vanished a short time after he was removed from office