Australian Gun Laws Have Made a “Nation of Victims,” Says Aussie Politician

An armed Islamic jihadist named Haron Monis walked into a cafe in Sydney recently, and took the customers hostage. A police siege ensued. Hours later, the police stormed the cafe and found Monis had murdered two women, Tori Johnson and Katrina Dawson. Now an Australian legislator is saying his country’s restrictive gun control laws have made it impossible for Australians to defend themselves.

In an article by Tim Brown of Eagle Rising, Senator David Leyonhjelm of Australia’s Liberal Democratic Party says he believes lives could have been saved if someone in the cafe had been carrying a concealed weapon.

That nutcase who held them all hostage wouldn’t have known that they were armed and bad guys don’t like to be shot back at…We are all disarmed victims.

It would have been illegal for them to have a knife, a stick, a pepper spray, a personal Taser, mace, anything like that for self-defense…To turn an entire population into a nation of victims is just unforgivable.

Brown’s article continues:

I find it ironic that a Senator from the Liberal Democratic Party in Australia can get what his counterparts by the same name in America don’t get and that is that the right to keep and bear arms is a God-given right to defend one’s self and government has absolutely no business, including issuing concealed carry permits, in it.

Others, however, continued down their road of totalitarianism.

Acting leader of the Australian Greens Adam Brandt told ABC radio that a review of how Islamic jihadist Haron Monis acquired

the weapon he used to take hostages and murder two innocent people should be the focus.

Why Mr. Brandy? We know he got it by illegal means, which means he broke your man made law, but you have absolutely no way to stop men from breaking the law.

Attorney-General George Brandis agrees saying, “If the weapon he had indeed was a banned weapon, then there’s only one way he could have got that weapon and that is illegally.”

“The question is not if the laws are tough enough, but the way in which the laws are enforced,” he added.

Of course, but the problem is that there should be no gun laws with respect to law abiding citizens. In other words, government should have no say in the sale and acquirement of a gun, period. If someone has engaged in a criminal act with a gun, then they should be dealt with lawfully.

It is interesting that we hear this particular argument from an Australian, as it parallels many discussions held in this country after high-profile shootings in public places. Texas’ concealed carry law was passed after an armed gunman shot 43 people in a Killeen cafeteria in 1991. Today, a number of states are determined to protect their citizens’ Second Amendment rights in the face of liberal efforts to destroy them.

  • evelyn123456

    Ausies seem to have a talent with the truth!

    • Greg Day

      Trouble is they ALLOWED their government to disarm them, like Germans ALLOWED the Nazis to do that after Hitler 1st came to power. He crowed “Germany is now the safest country on earth!”
      Aussies also tell we Americans “Don’t let this happen there! You (the US) are the bastion of humanity and the ‘Arsenal of Democracy’! “

      • evelyn123456

        Greg Day, You are correct about Ausies allowing the government to disarm them. What I’m talking about is that individuially, many times, they are not so “polically correct” and say it like they see it. I’ve heard some good “zingers” from them.

      • WVF

        And we are going to stay that way!

  • Liberal/Communist politicians and gun control advocates in America, and Australia, would rather have a rising death toll of innocents and force more unenforceable laws and violations of freedoms on honest citizens than lose the sense of power they feel by running roughshod over common sense and liberty.

    • Ricarrdo estavans

      The UN is the one organization to watch. Their Small Arms Treaty is scary. BO will use that as an excuse to disarm the peasants. Foreign troops will have the authority to go from house to house if the documented gun owners refuse to volunteer their firearms. We will be picked off one at a time. That’s why I admire Putin. As bad as he is he just signed a law to allow Russian citizens to carry handguns. A direct poke in the eye of the UN. The UN is trying to destroy him. Our great and merciful leader worships at the penis and anus of the UN

      • Rather not admire Putin. He is just another megalomaniac, like Obama. And I wouldn’t want to be a Blue Beanie trying to disarm American Patriots. You are correct about the Obama on penis and anus thing.

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          Maybe I used the wrong word. Just maybe. However I respect him for several things. He arrested the Oligarchs who were selling Russia out to the Worlds Central Banksters. Unlike our leaders who are controlled by our Central Bank (the Federal Reserve), He is a Patriot of his country as one should be. Unlike our Romerica hating leader. Putin supports the Russian Orthodox Christian Church of which the Socialist UN is trying to destroy. Look what The UN communist leadership is doing to the Roman Catholic Church, by placing a communist in the position of Pope. Putin just signed a law allowing his law abiding citizens to carry concealed. I happen to dig all those things.. What world leader is not self centered ?

          • Got me there on the self centered world leaders. But the Catholic Church has been in someone’s pocket for a long, long time. Putin Controls the Russian Orthodox Church. He is a Communist through and through. I cannot respect any Communist, Obama nor Putin, etc….

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            He is not a communist. He is a pragmatist. There is a free market in Russia. The masses would not stand to go back to the old ways. Only the old people want communism. Freedom is scary for people who had their azzes wiped from cradle too grave. They are dying off as with communism. Its ironic that the Romerican socialist ruling elite paints Putin as a commie.when Romerica is slipping into a fascist/socialist state. He is a patriot of Russia. That may go against our interests. I wish BO was a patriot. BO is in the pockets of our Central Banking class.If I had only two choices I would rather have a tough ex KGB colonel who loves his country than a sissy community activist who hates his country as a leader. What would you chose a real man or a sissy fraud.

          • Earn nest

            The oligarchs on both sides use politicians as a means. For myself while recognizing Jewish, Asian and other lesser powers the real centers I believe are the three cities of London, DC, and the Vatican. Their greatest weapon has been their central banking power which is about to crumble I also believe.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            More like London and NYC. The Vatican has been compromised by this new Socialisl/fascist pope.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            One more thing Earn, The families who own the Worlds Central Banks will not crumble. The peasants and their meager savings and stock portfolios will crumble. The filthy rich ruling elite may have their portfolios downsized by a Trillion or two. However when you are worth 500 Trillion. That like losing a point or two of interest.

          • No pansies and no dictators. He is a Communist and an hegemonic one at that. Obama is one of the biggest pussies to ever walk the earth and Putin reminds me very much of Mussolini in his ego and mannerisms. And comparing America to Rome is denying the empirical aspirations of most every large, powerful nation.and the mongols. Putin wants to reform the Soviet Union. Obama wants to let him. They both suck at defusing Islam, the greatest threat to both of them and the rest of the people on the planet. If I had one choice, I want someone who will unabashedly smash Islam. Screw world opinion.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            I agree with some of your points. I refer to America as Romerica , not out of malice, (I am a patriot), but out of hope that people will pick up on the fact we are being destroyed from within as the Roman Senate and their Emperor did. Romerica is a developing turd world schithole. Millions of uneducated, uncultured in western civilization, people only coming here for our freebies is suicide. These people have no clue what freedom is and will be easily controlled by the fascist cabal now ruling Romerica. Putin realizes the failures of communism. They are both using Islam to cause anxiety amongst the peasants . BO is using divide and conquer tactics. Putin is loving our implosion.

          • Earn nest

            Yes Ricardo, we can admire the good traits of our enemies foreign and domestic.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            I do not know if you are being sarcastic. That’s ok my wife calls me a sarcastic sob. I relish sarcasm. However You have to respect Putin. As far as being “our” enemy I do not know. I know he despises sissies that’s why he hates BO and he despises the Chosen Worlds Central Banksters, who are tying to take control of Russia. The same Banksters who control you, me, and the rest of Romerica. He despises the UN, IMF, and WTO all those organizations controlled by the worlds financial slave masters. Anyone who hates the UN and BO is ok in my book. You know the old saying ” the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

          • Yes. That’s what the ragheads say and practice. Until the enemy of their enemy is no longer useful. I say,: My enemy is my enemy is my enemy. My friend is my friend is my friend. Until he aids my enemy.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            We said that during WW2 when we allied with Russia. It was done to weaken both enemies. We could have kicked Stalins ass. Patton wanted to. The libs in congress said no. Hence a bogeyman and the cold war, stolen treasure (taxes) and 70 years of proxy wars, and less freedom. The Central Bank rulers got richer and now are able to control every politician in Romerica. Every time we go to war its for our “freedom” Then how come after every war we the people lose more freedom. Explain please.

        • Al

          No Blue Beanies in our country. Get the F*** out UN.

      • Jarhead

        GET THE US
        OUT OF THE UN
        GET THE UN
        OUT OF THE USA

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          I dig you man. Ive been saying that for decades.

          • Earn nest

            Me 4!

        • Edward Rambo

          If we have to have the UN here I say we move it to the Great Communist State of California, and put it on Alcatraz Island, the middle of Communist Central, if it was good enough for our worst Criminals it’s good enough for the Criminals at the UN..

          • JohnB

            When all the un representatives arrive for their gathering, remove all the boats and don’t allow any air traffic around or near it. It’s the politicians and zombies that vote for them that are the communists and they pretty much all are from the bay area. All leftovers from the sixties hippy communes mentality. They are very much like a fungus. Hard to get rid of. Go inland and it’s a little different state of mind.

          • Edward Rambo

            I was born and raised in California and it truly was a Great State until all these limp dick Liberals started taking over, hell when I was in High School in San Jose I was in the School Gun Club, and we would take our guns to school from time to time granted they were in gun cases and properly secured, but now you even get close to a school down there and they call the SWAT Team on you, I moved out of California in 1996 when California began caring more about the Illegal Mexicans than the real Citizens of the State, and as much as I love California I will never move back…

          • JohnB

            I don’t blame you one bit. I’m in OC and it’s just an extension of TJ now.

          • jcheckler

            I grew up in San Jose and currently live in the Santa Cruz Mountains. For me it’s like fighting for what is mine. I was born and raised here and I won’t let them take it from me, no matter how liberally insane they get. I have suffered criminal tyranny already that probably wouldn’t have happened in most other states, but that’s another story (and too long to tell).

          • Sandman

            Lot of freaky people in California, Hell everyone knows that. most are FUCED up on drugs.

          • Sandman

            Me either

          • Sandman

            I was born in 1956 and I can assure you that I am not a communist HIPPY, I know there are a lot of those freaks of nature out there but there are a lot like me who hate those communist pigs.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            I always said put the UN offices at the top floors of the World trade center. It would never have been hit. With Saudi Arabia in the penthouse.

          • Bandit

            I say leave it in new york after all at this time new york has worse gun laws than CALIF does.

          • jcheckler

            Yeah but only recently, and California keeps passing new gun laws. It’s like they’re dysfunctionally trying to out-do one another in a retarded tit for tat, sociopathic ignorant tyrannical episode or something. (I’m not even joking, this is true). NY might be the biggest city, but California is by far the bigger state, and (unfortunately) politically exercises more power in the halls of Congress (or as much power). So there is this liberal dueling to see who can out do the other. It’s seriously assbackwards insanity.

          • Frank J Panzer Jr

            you people of california put the politicians in office and you can take them out of office, don’t sit and cry for what you did to start with (stop crying) VOTE THEM OUT

          • Sandman

            That would be an excellent way to start the road to recovery.

          • JohnB

            We try, but I think most of the productive people have given up and moved out, leaving only Hollywood, college campus, and bay area liberals ,government employees and illegal aliens with fake documentation to vote.

          • jcheckler

            I have tried to vote them out, but I can’t make other people vote the way I want. 20% of the state is illegals who vote democrat. Now their giving them driver licenses. The politicians have brainwashed these ignorant people with social benefits and false promises.

          • Frank J Panzer Jr

            I know it’s hard to to talk to the wall’ alot of promises made but none kept, I knoww the feeling

          • Sandman

            California is also one of the most FUCED UP states in this country. Go ahead and disarm those freaks and watch the gangs take over that state. You dumb ass politicians will shit your pants when they come a knocking.

          • jcheckler

            They already are: Look at Oakland, Richmond, LA, Compton, East LA, Crenshaw, Hunter’s Point and the Bayview district in SF. Yes crime is down overall across the entire nation, but this is still where crime is the worst (in California). All of this anti-gun legislation did little to prevent crime or improve the situation. Yet the liberal California politicians will credit the reduction in crime to their anti-gun agenda. When in fact, if law enforcement published the data, they would discover that most of the guns used to commit crime in these areas were unregistered street guns. That is the problem with liberals: They don’t operate from real facts and statistics. They operate from the false premise of what feels good, looks good, or that they think will work. It’s pure ignorance, politics as usual, and “political correctness”. Most gun violence is a gang and thug problem and has nothing to do with law abiding gun owners or law abiding FFL holders (gun shops).

          • Bandit

            Right now if I had the money I would in all likely hood move to Texas to get away from the state. Calif. is getting just to bad with all the anti American lib in the state senate. What they need to do is break CALIF. into at least 5 or six separate states each with its own gov.

          • b4k9zp

            You would be welcome in texas but only if you don’t bring any of your bigger government more people control ideas with you . Leave them in california.

          • Bandit

            If I moved to Texas it would be to make a clean start and to start over. I would in fact leave everything Calif behind me.

          • b4k9zp

            Come to Texas then, and bienvenidos a Texas! Wilkommen sie!

          • jcheckler

            How or why would he do that?

          • jcheckler

            That would be great, (at least 4 states), but it will never happen.

          • JohnB

            With Moonbeam and his gang of liberal legislators is it any wonder?

          • ssilv48

            Edward, the sad thing here is right this very second, the most criminal country is the United States by all the non action taken for a Kenyan born muslim that has nothing but forged paperwork as to whom he is. The un falls just behind the United States. America can not be cured from the cancer until the truth oboma the Kenyan born muslim is made known by all sides. All involved in getting this Kenyan born muslim in Americas highest position need to be tried for TREASON

          • mickey_meador

            Next step: force Commifornia to be ejected from the US and close that border, no visas to US.

          • Gary Stuckey

            Dont diss all californians just because a few liberals. You were born and raised here and lived in San Jose and for the most part, it’s not as bad as other states like Maryland where the cops stop you because your a CCW permit holder in another state! I live on my ranch in reedly,Ca. where I can still go outside and shoot my guns and it’s still legal to do so!

          • jcheckler

            Exactly, that’s what pisses me off. We are made the pariah and poster child for liberalism, when in fact it is a few politicians and ignorant immigrants a generation of two removed, or fool-hardy liberal mothers, who are screwing up the entire state of nearly 40 million people. There are places that are just as bad or worse than California, such as much of NY state and NYC, Boston and much of Massachusetts, Maryland, D.C. and much of Virginia, Chicago and much of Illinois, Florida (believe it or not) and much of it and Dade County. The main problem with California, is the same problem Nevada has, namely Liberal Career politicians like Harry Reid, (Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer and many others in Congress) who make it to the Federal level and into positions of power, and feel as if they are above the law, and can enforce their personal beliefs on the rest of the nation. I have written and called my State politicians numerous times, and all I ever get is the same response (even though I clearly elaborate and provide solid evidence as to why they shouldn’t vote for some unconstitutional bill to become law), which is: A form letter, that says: “Thank you for writing to our office. We wholeheartedly believe in the Democratic process, however I/we respectfully disagree with your position; and then some liberal psycho-babble about supporting their constituents and their districts and being representative of the population. They literally have forced California over the decades to become liberal. A few politicians in California, have usurped the Democratic process using money and political means, with their feel-good progressive B.S. (which isn’t progressive at all), to change the state from what was a much more conservative state 30 or 50 years ago. Even if it gets me into trouble, I will not abide by State, Local, or Federal laws, I deem tyrannical or unconstitutional.

          • Susan P

            The UN needs to be Kicked Out of the USA! We don’t need the UN and the UN should not be allowed to operate on USA soil anywhere. The UN is made up mostly of countries that despise the USA. When are we going to wise up and throw their a$$es out.

        • Injun Trouble

          EXCELLENT …………… that needs to be on billboards across the U.S.

        • fred

          Someone called me a Bircher” and I told them thanks for the compliment! John Birch Society wanted us out of the UN decades ago, I say we start a new push in that direction! The UN is run by communists and groups wanting us to sacrifice our national parks to them, Clinton signed it into law, the traitor! Every National Park has a sign placed saying the UN controls the land in the parks now! UN is evil and brings misery to the populace wherever they go!

          • jcheckler

            Exactly, the U.N. operates from the premise of One World Government, and slowly and continually pushes us in that direction. No wonder it was founded in SF and is now based in NYC and other liberal European cities.

        • TAM44

          The UN is one of our enemies and the democrats loves them some enemies. obama is our greatest enemy right now as he’s on the terrorist side and appeases them as often as possible.

        • conservative since 1962

          The first time I said that I was called a “crazy John Bircher”! Care to guess when that occurred?

          • Jarhead

            1960?

          • conservative since 1962

            Not bad, missed by 3 years, 1963

          • b4k9zp

            Did you ever read the book published by the John Birch Society called “None Dare Call it Treason”? published in the late 50s I think. Don’t remember the author’s name.

            Read it once. Things haven’t changed much with the UN.

        • figmo

          Now why would the masochists we vote into office want to do that. It would violate our government’s long standing tradition of trying to give power over us to some third world piss ant country who sucks the tit of US aid and deeply hates us and would like to destroy us. The carbon credit nonsense and arms control treaty are just further examples of our efforts to reason with the unreasonable. But we will no doubt continue to pretend that these third world scum are our allies and love us in some misguided belief that it will come true. I’m surprised that when Obama goes on one of his apology tours that he doesn’t bring some whips and chains and invite the trash whose ass he is kissing to beat him with them.

        • JMG

          You mean Useless Nitwits!!!

        • JeffCo_MO

          Can’t be done soon enough. Worst bunch of idiots in the world at the UN building.

      • WhiteFalcon

        From what I know, that treaty has not been ratified by the Senate and therefore is not legally enforcable in this country.

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          The word you failed to write is “YET”. This past election put a “hold” on the treaty. A few liberal supreme court justices being appointed, a Dumbocrap or RINO being selected as president, oh and millions of illegals gaining the right to vote, that treaty can change over night.

          • Bandit

            Not only that but the dictator or emperor or whatever you want to call the bamster he has said that he is going to enact certain parts of that thing through executive order.

        • b4k9zp

          That doesn’t matter to obama, for he is writing many of the provisions of the treaty into US law by executive “actions” orders and proclamations, none of which are constituitonal, but he is still doing it.

        • b4k9zp

          That doesn’t matter to obama. For he has said he will use his power of executive orders to bring the US into compliance with the UN Treaty, whether or not the senate ever ratifies the document.

      • fred

        Yes it IS scary and Hillary has already endorsed it as SOS, so I think she should be hammered on that in any debates they have if the Demos still want to have her as their candidate! She also should be held accountable for a number of deaths under her watch as well. Oh and Whitewater never sent her to jail, and she was fired from the watergate investigation, and she’s a Socialist/Communist, just like dear old bill her cheating husband.

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          Sing this to the tune of “Ohio” by Crosby stills and nash: Here goes. Jihadists attacking and BO not coming, Brave soldiers left on their own, Hillary says there is nothing here to see, Four dead in BENGAHZI. I will finish it in time for the next election and hopefully it will be played during her campaign if she is selected.

          • fred

            Good One Ricarrdo! I think it was Neil Young and Steven Stills that wrote that, so CSNY all the way to Arkansas! I hope she runs, she is very beatable, as are all the demonrats!

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            Thank you. Ill have more. Stay posted my friend. Lock and load.

          • fred

            Don’t Tread on anyone! and molon labe to those that want to control us! No worries be well, Ricarrdo.

          • Bandit

            Who would want to vote for the wicked witch of the east, she looks more like Haggatha the witch than anyone else.

          • peabody

            Seen them in last September It was great!

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            Not to one up you, I saw them at Woodstockin 69. Yes I’m old. My family still has a cabin about 30 minutes from Bethel NY in Pa.; I saw the hollies live and buffalo springfield. I actually bought a springfield rifle as some sort of commemorative its still hanging over the fire place

          • peabody

            Not out to do you either. But I once booked Iron Butterfly at my moms bar. I was 19. No Spring Chicken either. I think we could be friends.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            IN-A-GADA_DA VIDA Baby.

      • UnitedStatesofPlutocracy

        All it would take is for it to be reported that invading foreign troops are on OUR soil trying to take firearms from Americans, and the world really WILL see a rendition of the movie, “Red Dawn.” Personally, I’ll pull a Vlad Tepes with all of the U.N jackbooted thugs I drop. There would be a forest of impaled foreign troops growing daily in SE Texas. Sometimes you must out-crazy your enemy for the psychological impact to take hold.

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          They are already here being trained in make shift neighborhoods. Where have you been. Our troops train under the UN flag in foreign countries. Foreign troops have been training here for years. Getting to know the lay of the land. You will be sleeping in your bed when the door is kicked in.BO has had experience with those patriots several months ago out west with the EPA and the land turtles. That was a trial run. Bo wont make the same mistake twice.

      • Sandman

        It’s time the UN be disbanded

        • b4k9zp

          way past time. IIRC, when Gingrich was Speaker of the House and republicans controlled the senate also, they passed a law to defund the UN, and didn’t appropriate any tax money to fund the UN for several years. But then pelosi/reid’s first action (almost) when they fraudulently gained control of the congress was to re-establish that funding.

      • figmo

        Yes, the treaty is scary but so far our laws say that a treaty can not override a constitutional right. Reid v. Covert. Thank god our “constitutional idiot” in the white house doesn’t know that. And he’s supposed to be an expert on the Constitution. What a joke!

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          What constitution? BO does not need a stinking constitution.

        • b4k9zp

          That’s if obama pays any attention to any laws. He has already proved that he doesn’t care about any laws whatever with his illegal and unconstitutional amnesty for the illegals.

      • Sandman

        Putin knows that OBUNGHOLE wants to disarm America, How easy would it be to walk in and take over this county if you disarm it. Russian military and there civilians armed and OBUNGHOLE with his authority over our military. Put it all together and see where US civilians end up.

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          Good theory, Something to think about

      • Greyguy

        Just try and get one if your not none of his guys, lol.

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          Not according to the law he signed. It is similar to Texas.

          • Greyguy

            And his reliability factor is about as high as Obama’s. I in no way doubt you. I have a feeling this is a case of watching how it plays out like the ACA. It might be more a stick in the eye to the UN to embarass our fearless equivicating leader.

    • Holy Joe

      A disarmed American Civilian Population. will soon become a flock of Communistic-Islamic Sheep to be regularly shorn and slaughtered. Caveat emptor. The Democrat Libtards are selling you a big bucket of crap.

      • That’s where you are wrong. Libtards are already Communist sheeple. America will not go calmly into the night.. By the way, I don’t buy Commucrat Libtard crap.

    • Larry Sample

      well said

    • Wapitiman

      Boo Hoo! The sheeple speak! Why is the expression ‘common sense’ used by both sides? Hmmm.

    • Sandman

      If they are anti constitution then they are anti American.

    • Gary Stuckey

      Armed criminals in the UK are trying to reduce the population so that the citizens won’t have to slice the meat a little thinner at the supper table. Gun control does not work!!!!

    • Frank J Panzer Jr

      the american and australian people are giving in to the liberals and that is what the libs want, stand up and fight for what is our rights we don’t need to just sit there and cry. that goes for australia also

      • We need to starting acting on the instruction left to us by the Founding Fathers. They did not throw off the chains of tyranny so we could one day wear them.

  • Teresa Hall

    I agree. When the hostage situation occurred in that cafe a few weeks ago, if there had been even one smart citizen carrying a gun, the hostage could have been stopped immediately. Probably would have never tried because he would not have known who may be carrying a gun, and really knows how to use it.
    We must protect our constitution and all our freedoms!

    • Thomas

      There are many citizens there more than well trained and willing to carry a gun. Criminals have guns there why not law abiding citizens. Australians must have the same lawyer problem w have here.

      • worn out 123

        Not a lawyer problem, rather a socialist/communist problem.

        • Dwayne Merritt

          right on brother

          • PepperPete

            Amen and pass the ammunition

          • Dwayne Merritt

            that’s right bring it on

        • Jeff R

          A socialist communist atheist liberal problem.

    • quincyman

      The Hostage could have been stopped ?????????????

      • jcheckler

        Obviously she meant the perpetrator could have been stopped.

      • Waclaw Jerzy Borken-Hagen

        Quincyman,
        She obviously meant the hostage taker – a “politically correct” misnomer for the muslim criminal
        used by our lame media.

    • Clyde Fall

      Hard to believe a country as advanced as Australia is supposed to be would have such a stupid law.

      • Sandman

        Fuck the politicians, never let these assholes infringe on our constitution.

        • Frank J Panzer Jr

          they already have

          • Sandman

            Good point, Keep feeding the NRA money to keep the liberals from ruining our nation.

          • Dwayne M

            I Do

        • songbird cloud

          guns have become a very serious problem sir, they are killing innocent children, and other people, but, its not only guns car can cause damages, knives as well pipes, sticks, does not everyone see, its not only guns, but it seems this is all anyone understands. Our constitution should stand, our guns are our protection, it takes a better person to find another way to make things right, and people to listen.

          • sherri palmer

            guns are a serious problem…in the hands of criminals! Remember, every govt wants to take guns from law abiding citizens to control us. Look at all of the gangs coming across our border and these gangs are all tatted up, no one is taking their guns. This is Osama’s army!

          • Jim Monk

            a lot of people are killed with baseball bats.We better ban Little League Baseball.We are training a bunch of killers, I guess!!!

          • sandman

            In the history of my home state, there have been as many folks killed, hurt or maimed by legal weapons, as there have been killed, hurt or maimed in a vehicle driven by a drunk kennedy! never mind the countess thousands killed, hurt or maimed by just regular drunk driver! and those killed, hurt or maimed by illegally owned weapons! with the laws already on the books! Then we get to cigarettes and alcohol!

          • b4k9zp

            never seen a gun (or any other object that has ever been used as a weapon) yet that has ever killed anyone (child, woman or man) by itself, cloud. Never will. Because firearms, like any and all other weapons are totally inanimate objects that will never do anything except rust into uselessness if no one uses them to kill other or injure another person.

            When a person takes up any object with the intention and desire to harm another person, the time for talking is past. The only thing that in reality will stop such a person is superior firepower.

          • jcheckler

            A good percentage of the guns used to kill people are technically illegal guns, -meaning they are unregistered street guns not belonging to law abiding citizens. Most homicides in this country are the result of street thugs, gang violence and drug sales/territory/activity. This is one way we know that the liberal agenda is to abolish all guns. They don’t distinguish between law abiding citizens and criminals. They feel entitled as master and ruler over us all, to usurp the Supreme Law of the Land, as if “they know best” and will accordingly enforce their will on the rest of us; despite the facts or evidence rebuking/rebutting their position entirely. If you are going to commit a crime with a gun, unless you are an idiot, you aren’t going to use your legally registered gun to do it. Let’s assume the politicians could remove all the guns from law abiding citizens. There would still be millions of guns in circulation. They are trading liberty not for security, but for nothing; -for tyranny. As many nations throughout history have done the same thing.

      • Gary Stuckey

        The Australian goverment went to the schools and called the parents and told them that they let would let thier kids go home only after they turned thier guns in! British control at it’s best! Just listen to Piers Morgan!

        • Sandman

          The people of Australia are screwed, there Government is out of control and the people have been disarmed. I will prey for you all. Piers Morgan is a man without a brain!

          • Dwayne M

            You got that right he is a Idiot

      • Tom Wittlief

        Eventually happens to all societies / cultures that begin with having recognized freedoms. Narcissistic mental misfits who seek to be Seen as wise, benevolent, patrician types clamor for, lie and manipulate their way Into positions of authority, and begin to undermine those same freedoms they used to gain their powers. Either control freaks themselves or who unashamedly enlist the aid of the shreiking mob of such to enhance their position at the taxpayer hogtrough. Ever notice Politician and Prostitute have the same number of letters ? But, maybe I’m being a bit too harsh … Naaahhhhh.

      • b4k9zp

        They were sold a bill of goods, and paid attention to the lies instead of the truth.

    • jcheckler

      …or we will slowly loose them all.

      • Gary Stuckey

        Only if we don’t fight to keep them!

    • Jeff R

      He could have been stopped with one shot from a sniper at anytime, but the government there sugarcoated the situation and didn’t even have a trained sniper that could do the job anywhere around.

  • Jarhead

    Guns don’t kill people……..sick people kill people…….liberalism is a mental disorder and the liberal/Nazi politicians belong in straight jackets in a mental hospital under sedation and IF any improvement is seen they should be moved to a well guarded Funny Farm hopefully on Cuban soil.

    • wapitihunter

      Who is going to pay for them who are you going to trust to diagnose them. Someone may think you are a nut for suggesting such. I agree with you in part but we must be careful what you wish for.

      • Jarhead

        Removing the liberal nincompoops Federal controls will be a whole lot cheaper than to allow them to keep funding EPA, IRS, DHS, BLM, PP, ACLU, VA, DOE, and any other useless Federal Agencies. Giving them mental health care is the humane thing to do.
        Or we could all pray that stupidity becomes painful > > > & S*O*O*N

    • WVF

      Liberalism is called the Democrat Derangement Syndrome (DDS).

  • James in Texas

    Free people own guns and stay free, Slaves don’t and they die a Slave, Period!

    • Earn nest

      simple truth jim

      • James in Texas

        It seems simply enough and clear enough to most of us. But, with the education we now have in this country, something has been lost in the translation.

  • Bobtrhn

    I guess Obama thinks that Americans will listen to the UN. What a freaking laugh. Foreign troops here in the USA. I think we have enough here to kickass

    • Ricarrdo estavans

      It will be door to door one house at a time in various states, nice and slow before you know what happened. Just like the IRS. One at a time.

      • Earn nest

        Yeah Ricardo, I believe those banking families will suffer greatly as their real strength has been the fiat power without which they lose all their advantage. Americans can rise from the ashes you know.

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          Nah. It hasn’t happened in 600 years or more. They have CREATED the fiat money you mention to manipulate the VALUE of the money. Romerica was backed by a gold/silver standard until 1913. Wilson sold out the the Rochschilds and JP Morgan Cabal.You cannot manipulate gold silver or copper so easily. Who’s manipulating the paper money me? you?. I think not. There has been bust, depression, recessions etc throughtout history. All controlled to control the printing of the valueless paper money.. The combined wealth of the Lazards, Seifs, Rothschilds, Schiffs, Goldmans, Sachs etc families is estimated to be 500 Trillion. If they lose (which they do not) a few trillion, while the rest of us lose what I consider our (meager) savings in comparison, they will and have always reaped the rewards of consolidating their power. I have over 600 years of historical proof. Read the history of these thieves. A good start is Flynns book, “Hope of the Wicked”

          • Earn nest

            What is different today is, I believe, the internet which by the way the freedom of which it is critical to maintain. I suppose as a last ditch they might send us to the stone age but there will be patriots in the bunkers too.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            Well the internet is important for the exchange of ideas, truth or lies. Let the masses decide. Hey that rhymes. Bo and his fascist handlers want to control the content of the internet. They will use lies and other deceitful means to do it. Here is the irony. We may be allied with most of the leftist 20-30 something liberals. They do not want internet controlled. They may be waking from their Cannabis induced haze.

          • b4k9zp

            Actually, US money was still backed by Gold until FDR made it illegal (by an unconstitutional executive order) for Americans to own gold bullion, gold coins, or “Gold certificates” (which was the official currency of the USA until 1933-1934) A “gold certificate” could be taken to any federal bank and traded in for the face value in pure gold bullion. One could get one troy ounce for a twenty dollar gold certificate up until 1933 or 1934, when FDR changed the value of gold to $35.00 an ounce.

            The US sort of remained on a “gold standard”, in that the price of gold was kept at $35 per troy ounce until the mid 1960s. And it continued to print “silver certificates” that could be redeemed for their face value in silver bullion (price of silver was about $1 per troy ounce for many years). And with the exception of the penny and the nickel, all US coinage had some silver in each coin whether it was dimes, quarters, hafl-dollars and dollar coins, until 1964, when the Mint quit printing silver certificates and ordered them all to be taken up and destroyed.

        • Earn nest

          I shouldn’t say all as I believe their generalized sociopathy gives them an edge as well. You are right about the guns though, it’s all for one but since it’s already happening I don’t notice me getting out to the northeast to stand with my allies though I was ready to go die in Nevada. I do believe we’ll win peacefully but we may die, many of us, otherwise.

    • WVF

      We do have 15 million armed hunters in our country, not to mention armed military veterans.

      • Bobtrhn

        Amen to that.

  • rifflizard

    Unfortunately, guys like Soros, and Bloomberg have soooooooo much money to be put into the anti-gun movement we will FOREVER be fighting these di–heads in the courts just to keep our God given right to self preservation. There ought to be an amendment that makes it a Federal crime to try and remove an inalienable right. My personal OPINION, and that`s all it is, an OPINION, is that if Bloomberg and Soros (traitor #1, Traitor #2) were to suddenly drop deader than a doornail with a heart attack by tomorrow, this world would be a much better place! Just think of all the GOOD they could do with their money. I know it`s a crappy thing to say, but it`s the truth!
    Long live the 2nd Amendment, and God Bless the United States of America.

    • mickey_meador

      Fortunately life is terminal a those two idiots are getting closer to judgement day.

  • FEDUP365

    We all knew crap like the hostage taking was going to happen, just a matter of time since law “breakers” don’t follow the laws and only law abidding citizens do. Yes there are too many shootings in the USA but it does not make sense to make sheeple out of everyone and make us all victims.If you want my guns then your asking too much, I won’t be a victim to the UN.or fricken nobamma and his ilk. I will fight to the death to defend the 2nd ammendment and the Constitution. Just try me. USMC, VN vet to the bitter end. Fuck with the best, Die like the Rest.

    • Dave

      I’m with you!

    • WVF

      I think I just heard the words of a real American!

  • wapitihunter

    Well their Demoncrats or at least one can figure it out so why can our’s especially those who claim to be so smart. I know Hank Johnson or Shelia Jackson Lee can’t but it seems some others might. If it were concealed carry or open carry the act could have been prevented or minimized. If open carry were permitted then it may not have occurred at all. But a law is a law. Moses delivered Ten Laws to his people which they were all deviling even as he received them. The gun he had was illegal so he must have got it ILLEGALLY. Really? The focus should be on how he acquired it and how the laws are enforced? Hello. Man has never been able to live by the law and that is why He sent his only son to forgive us of all of our sins if we repent and accept the sacrifice and believe that he alone is the savior. I do not have or claim to have the answer. I do know when we had stricter penalties for violent crimes, yes execution, we had less crimes and a whole lot less repeat offenders. Yes we are the victims of our own laws. We must be allowed to defend and protect ourselves. Our forefathers gave us the means and politicians want to take it away. We must also protect our borders.

    There are several phrases associated with the Statue of Liberty, but the most recognizable is “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” This quote comes from Emma Lazarus’ sonnet, New Colossus, which she wrote for a fundraiser auction to raise money for the pedestal upon which the Statue of Liberty now sits. It was not written by someone in our government, nor did our government adopt it. We can no longer provide for those here, should we invite more? Why do we let those who would destroy us within our very borders and feed, clothe,house and educate them only to watch them destroy us. And our government wants to disarm us!

    • Earn nest

      Keep praying and pray together.

  • Jacky

    Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Hirohito, Benito Mussolini Kim Il Sung, Adolph Hitler, Josef Tito, Hugo Chavez, Mao Tse Tung, Josef Stalin.
    All of these people said that for public safety we must have 100% gun registration, then with in 3 years of achieving that, they confiscated all weaponry.
    Shortly after they they passed laws that say, you can’t make nasty remarks about the government.
    France, Germany, England, Canada, Belgium Australia all have those laws, now.
    Want to guess which country is the only Democracy, where you can say or print nasty things about the government?
    Ask your self why the liberal dem bloodsuckers are so hot to take your weapons.
    It behooves the Bloombergs, Steyers and Gates’s to get their nose away from our weapons, before thy get their nose out of joint.

    • Greg Day

      Don’t forget the demoncrap lib-turds are now trying to take away even our 1st ammendment right of to tell the truth about their bs!!!

  • fred

    I feel very sad for the Australian people who have to tolerate assaults and only can legally use a knife or?, hands to protect their families or property! If the US ever has the Government try that here as they are trying to take ours now, there will be blood…just saying…We still have a Constitution that protects us, and no kenyan is going to change that, not matter how many laws of ours he breaks!

  • Irvan

    Just another example of “When you make it illegale to carry a gun, only criminals will have guns”..

  • Holy Joe

    A simple solution to increasing Islamic Terrorist & other Criminal Infiltration into Western Societies would be to give al, or carefully selected former serving Military & Naval.Officers and Senior NCO’s the option of being given Civilian Marshal Status & Training with CCW Permits, so that anywhere in any social setting there is possibly an undercover armed response available that would serve to deter these sudden uncontrollable Muslim Terrorist and other Criminal Assaults in Public Sites. It might make the criminal element more circumspect if they do now know that there is a perhaps an armed response nearby to their attempted criminal attacks.

  • WVF

    Though I have never been to Australia, I have always admired its people. My personal belief is that every free person should be allowed access to a weapon. Thank God for our Second Amendment!

    • omegaman

      WVF– I have been there and I can honestly say: they are the nicest people I have ever met — anywhere!!!

      • WVF

        omegaman, I have known several Australians over the years, and I had a very high opinion of every one of them.

    • Ricarrdo estavans

      Keep the faith my friend. Lock and load and keep your powder dry. We are one huge group putting the fear into the cold hearts of the fascist left.

    • b4k9zp

      Thomas Jefferson stated “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” (Draft of the Virginia Constitution).

      Samuel Adams once stated: “The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” in “Debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts”, 86-87

      • WVF

        Real Americans such as you and I know this, but since these great men put this down in writing, communist, Marxist, and socialist Americans have come along and have done everything they can to take our rights away.

  • Earn nest

    So are you Aussies also suffering the Muslim invasion like us? You know foolish appeasement is characteristic of our race and you are ahead of us in this.

  • Alan404

    The following comments/questions appeared at this article’s beginning.

    In an article by Tim Brown of Eagle Rising,
    Senator David Leyonhjelm of Australia’s Liberal Democratic Party says
    he believes lives could have been saved if someone in the cafe had been
    carrying a concealed weapon.

    That nutcase who held them all hostage wouldn’t have
    known that they were armed and bad guys don’t like to be shot back at…We
    are all disarmed victims.

    To turn an entire population into a nation of victims is just unforgivable.

    I imagine that the existing structure of Australian statutes are the by-product of the “work” performed by that nations Elected Legislators. Given the direction of laws enacted over a period of years, I wonder as to how many of Australia’s Elected Legislators were returned to office. Put in other words, how come that the voters of Australia did “unelect” assuming that they could have, these anti gun/anti self defense types. Also,how come, given the effects, adverse is appears, of Australia’s arms related legislation, how come there has not been a clamor for repeal, or has there been such clamor, which the supposed “employees” of the people see or saw fit to simply ignore. This is not to say that the U.S. doesn’t have it’s own Anti Gun Nuts, we have lots of them, no small number holding elective office Every now and then, some are tossed out.

  • The Fox

    About time someone down under woke up, I was there a few years back and never felt so unsafe, can’t fix, dumb, stupid and blind.

  • USCBIKER

    Even in this country, what the Aussie pinko says is true. We prosecuted 49 cases of ~80,000 that tried to get a gun illegally. The hypocrisy here is huge, tell the Aussie drunks to try outlawing “beeah” to stop the DUI crashes & deaths, they’ll tell you “no ,f***ing way, mate!”. That’s coz they know form history that prohibition never works on anything anyone wants badly enough. Yet they squawk about gun laws, as if that’s a solution. But let’s cut the BS here, who are the ONLY ONES to blame for all of this? The Aussie voters! Until these idiots have enough of these murders and the world seeing them made to look impotent, despite all their jackeroo bluster, nothing will change.

  • Ronald Fischer

    The Australians are easy targets for Terrorist they no dam will that they are not allow to have any guns on them and the Terrorist no this.And this will happen again and again the people of Australian should demand to carry a weapon on them or else there will be a lot of BODY BAGS to make,these days you can not trust anyone around you the Terrorist are every were like Obama that let them cross our borders along with the other criminals from Mexico.And don’t let this Obama try to fool you he knew all the while what he was doing,that is why the forefathers made sure to but in the 2nd Amendment so the honest people with no record of any crimes the right to of the people to KEEP and BEAR ARMS shall not be INFRINGED a pond the people of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICAN,and that also means against Tyranny of people in our Government that try to take our rights away from us and that’s called TREASON against our CONSTITUTION,and Obama as commented most of all of them he took a OATH to defend the Constitution and now he is making his own Illegal laws against America that is why he is trying like Hell to take my WEAPON from us so that we can not protect our self’s or our FAMILY’S from the ENEMIES with in our COUNTRY and also the criminals that live among us and there are plenty of them out there to rob and kill us for a few dollars,I am also disabled and can not run or fight them back so thank god for our 2nd Amendment or a lot of good people would be dead.

  • Gman

    YOU THINK!

  • mrsgunnut10

    Well, The Ausies were the ones that either changed the Laws or let them be changed without Argument. Whay can’t they get with their own Program and demand that those Laws be overturned and get their SELF RESPECT AND SELF PRESERVATION back. I met some of the Austrailian Military when I was in Thailand in 1968 amd it is hard to believe that they would not fight for their own rights in their own Country. Go for it Ausie’s – Take your Country and YOUR RIGHTS back. Thank you for your time. TSgt., USAF Retired.

  • Arizona Don

    I really do not know what is so difficult to understand about gun ownership. Here in good ole Arizona we had no law making it legal to carry concealed without a concealed carry permit under Napolitano. You know the obama loving progressive democrat. Few applied because it was a form of registration. Then we got a governor with a better understanding of how the world actually works and a law was passed to allow concealed carry under the second amendment. No special permit required. Suddenly all crime started down. It has been going down every year since. We were once becoming the kidnap and car jack capital of the US. Now it rarely happens. Why you ask. Because everyone can carry concealed without a permit. Under the second amendment just as it should be.

    A criminal is someone who does not respect the law. With that in mind how can any government anywhere in the world think it is possible to pass laws forbidding guns and have criminals suddenly respect “that” law that restricts them? A criminal in Arizona is no different then a criminal in NY, NJ, California or Australia. Restricting guns enhances the criminals ability to rob steal and kill because it only stops the good guys. It never restricts them! They don’t obey the laws anyway. What is so damn hard for these progressive idiots to figure that out? Well let me tell you because they know better then you what is good for you. Besides they’re all imbeciles!

    Ask any crook they do not want anyone armed. But then neither do the liberal progressive democrats. Makes you wonder whose side they are on doesn’t it?

    Now that it is not known just who is carrying and who isn’t crime has gone down each year since the law was passed. Maybe all you guys in Australia could learn something from us here in Arizona! Another thing we learned with that law. When everyone can carry not everyone needs to because they (the crooks) don’t know who is and who isn’t. Gives them something to think about!

  • PWS

    this is really amazing. Australia has a homicide rate 1/4 that of the US, and a gun homicide rate 1/11 as big, and they’re a nation of victims? The U.S. had at least 138 people die in mass shootings in 2012 alone, and Australia is the nation of victims? You’re joking, right? Please tell me you’re joking?

    • b4k9zp

      funny. I’ve never seen a gun “die”, since they are not living things in the first place. Nor have I ever seen or heard of a gun killing someone, for the same reason. Guns cannot kill. They are inanimate objects and have no will of their own, but do only what the person controlling the weapon at the time it is fired tells it to do. So your comment is typical of the hysterical ranting of liberal who are scared of their own shadows.

      When you deny people their intrinsic birthright to possess and carry arms for their own protection, you make them into a nation of SLAVES, not citizens.

      • PWS

        I don’t understand why you made your first comment. I said ‘the US, which has loose gun laws, has a much higher murder rate and a MUCH higher gun murder rate than Australia’. You respond ‘guns don’t kill people, people kill people’. Maybe we should say: ‘guns don’t kill people, but people with guns kill a lot more people than people without guns’. How about that?

        You might have a point if all of those tens of thousands of extra people killed by guns in the US were shot while they were committing a crime. But they’re not. They’re mostly killed by relatives in a fight, or mass shooters, or someone they got in an argument with in a movie theatre, or their two year old child, or the neighbor’s kid, or their siblings, or themselves, or 8 year old girls using an Uzi for the first time, or you name it. The one reason you cite to justify loose gun laws accounts for very few of the many thousands of extra people killed with guns.

        As for unarmed people being ‘slaves’, slaves of what? Slaves to whom? Maybe if you explain what you’re talking about we could continue the conversation.

        • b4k9zp

          All gun control laws are people control laws. They are not for the purpose of controlling crime, at which they are a total failure, but to control people. That is their only real purpose.

          Despite your lies, no one has ever been killed by a gun (or any other object used as a weapon) in the USA or any other nation. all weapons are inanimate objects that will do nothing until a person picks that object up with the intent to harm another person. The firearm or other weapon is not the cause of death or injury, but just an instrument the PERSON who does the injury or killing chooses to use to commit his crime. The USA’s “gun murder rate” is the same as that of Australia’s–ZERO, for no unliving, never alive guns have ever been killed here in the US, or anywhere else. Such a contention is ridiculous.

          VIolent crimes of all kinds, committed with all weapons, increased in Australia to the point where it is second only to Great Britain in violent crime rates, annd both nation’s violent crime rates are about 5 times that of the US, nationwide. (Only in some of our largest inner cities does our violent crime rate come close to matching those in Great Britain anad Australian).

          Despite what you state, every one who is killed in the US or elsewhere is killed as a result of a crime. Murder is a crime. Assault and battery is a crime. Assault with a lethal weapon is a crime. So your contentions are totally worthless.

          Guns don’t cause crimes. The are used in crimes by criminals. But we have a constitutionally protected birth right and civil right to possess and carry the same weapons that are used by the standing army of the time (our military and police) because of the necessity to counterbalance the possibility of a government monopoly of force in this country.

          The distinguishing characteristic of a slave is that he is not armed and has no rights. For with weapons, he can protect his rights against anyone who wishes to enslave him. That you cannot see that shows that you are not accustomed to thinking in any rational, logical or critical manner. I’ll leave you with these thoughts from a few people who used their brains for thinking, instead of spouting hoplophobic nonsense.

          Andrew Fletcher (1653-1716): “Arms are the only true badge of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a slave.”

          James Burgh, an 18th century English Libertarian writer, wrote the following: “… most attractive to Americans, the possession of arms is the distinction between a free man and a slave, it being the ultimate means by which freedom was preserved.” (as quoted in “The Ideological Origins of the Second Amendment” by Robert E Shalhope: “Copyright © 1982 The Journal of American History. Originally published as 69 J.AMHIST. 599-614 (1982). (William S. Hein & Co., 1285Main Street, Buffalo, New York 14209)), page 604.

          George Mason IV, the chief author of the 2nd amendment in its final form, wrote : “To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” (Elliot, Debates at 380).

          Cesare Beccaria, an Italian criminologist, wrote an essay entitled “An Essay on Crimes and Punishments” in 1809, which Thomas Jefferson quoted, after it was translated into English, in his “The Commonplace Book of Thomas Jefferson: A Repertory of His Ideas on Government”; (which has been edited by Gilbert Chinard [Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press, 1926), on page 314: “A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniencies, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, who dares say to reason, ‘Be thou a slave;’ who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

          The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons.”

          • PWS

            I know it’s useless, and I think I’m talking to someone a
            bit deranged, but I’ll try again.

            OK, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Agreed. And people with guns kill a lot more people than people without guns. And MOST of those people killed with guns are not committing a crime against those who killed them. ‘Good guys with guns against bad guys with guns’ is a simple-minded fantasy, and a complete myth.

            Your wild-eyed statistics on British and Australian crime rates are way off the mark. Here’s a blog by a libertarian (I assume you’re one of those) which may set you straight. http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/01/12/fact-checking-ben-swann-is-the-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/. I suggest reading it, but here’s a
            summary: Violent crimes are defined completely differently in Britain than in the US, with the US much more restrictive. Taking that into account (see update #1), the violent crime rate is somewhere between 33% higher and 40% LOWER than the US rate, and probably anyway LESS than the US rate. It’s easy to make up statistics when you don’t pay attention to what you’re measuring.

            Also, listen to the video in that blog. In that year there were 8583 gun-caused homicides in the US. 400 were by police in their line of duty and were justifiable. 260 were justifiable civilian homicides. So 3% of homicides were your ‘good
            guys with guns’ going after ‘bad guys with guns’. Not very f’ng impressive.

            Or look at this post. http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html . Here’s a quote: ‘Individuals in possession of a gun at the
            time of an assault are 4.46 times more likely to be shot in the assault than
            persons not in possession (Branas et al, 2009). It would appear that, rather
            than being used for defense, most of these weapons inflict injuries on the
            owners and their families’

            In the US at least (maybe not in Switzerland), wide-ranging gun ownership causes many times more deaths and injuries than it prevents. And if there were more ‘good guys with guns’ it would be even worse.

            The rest of your answer is about citizens arming themselves to throw off the tyrannous yoke of an oppressive state, or some such asinine nonsense. I notice from other posts that you’re a Lincoln-hater, which is one reason I think you’re
            deranged. I don’t have space to answer that line of so-called thought. I’ll
            return to it later.

          • b4k9zp

            Nothing you state has any validity whatever, for nothing you have said has any factual evidence in support of it.

  • The best thing for them to do is fight to get there gun rights back,, crooks always have guns and dont give a crap if they hurt you or not.

  • alfred e newman

    the united soviet america also known as the peoples republic of china west is not much different and with our communist government will soon be even worse with all the crack pots like our communist party leader obama trying to shape this country in their own bent and twisted image where absolutely no body has rights at all just like a monarchy set up by a crack pot religion

  • DERRELLCRAWFORD

    Put your war faces on it is time to take back our country and forget the congress they have been bought and paid for with our money

  • ReaperHD

    I’m amazed that the Aussie People would let these politicians bring the country to this level of gun control without taking up arms and cleaning house.

  • Dan

    We MUST keep an open mind, and learn from the mistakes of others. Our elected officials often forget where they come from, to serve their own personal interests.

  • Combatvet52

    You get a lot of dead people when Liberal Socialist Commies are running a country, problem is most of the dead were good people who had no chance to defend themselves, Obama says that WHITES only think of Guns and Religion, and the WHITE folks don’t seem to see how much i did for them………REALLY Barry your smoking that funny shit again.

  • Vincent Marcantelli

    WOW, yes we had better watch out, and ask ourselves……what’s next for us coming out of Obamas “pen and phone”. With this report, why would we ever allow our guns to be taken away? Remember this little skit: It’s 0 dark 30, someone’s following you down the street, you call 911, the cops are 10 min’s away, but the Bad Guy is 10 seconds away, without your “tool”, that 911 call is just so they can find your dead azz, with your “tool”, they should be able to find the Bad Guy. Looking at this situation in another way, “better to be judged by (12,) then to be carried by (6)” hONEST!.

  • jcheckler

    Finally a politician that thinks rationally and clearly. Liberals do not.

  • Waclaw Jerzy Borken-Hagen

    Jonathan Gruber revealed and bragged about what the mindset of liberal Democrats is all about.
    They rely on you to become stupid by obscuring their real motives with “convincing” untrue presentations.
    It was perfectly acceptable in his opinion.

  • toddyo1935

    In the face of Obama’s invasion from the south where a large percentage of the illegals were young men, we have great cause to be individually armed and ready to meet any challenge of a useful idiot with a bomb vest or an AK-47.
    Apparently 92% are failing to report as ordered by immigration officials. Where are they? At the 35 or so Muslim training camps spread around the country? Hiding in the inner cities pushing frustrated residents into Islam and rebellion?

  • LaRae Bailey

    NOT IN MY LIFETIME…BUT THAT IS THE NEW AMERICAN LIBERALS GOAL

  • John Franco

    The citizens of countries like Australia and England need to start fighting for the right to bear arms. It is about protecting themselves and their families! We are seeing more and more attacks by these radical muslims and that cannot be denied. How many lives could be saved if a legally armed citizen were on the scene to take these animals out.

  • Doug

    DUUUUHHHHHH NO JOKE!!! there have been more shootings and knifings since they took the guns–mostly pistols away from law abiding citizens around the towns and limited capacities of rifles and shotguns to one shell while outlawing semi-auto weapons along with some bolt actions ie the once plentiful .303 lee enfield. out in the bush it is necessary to have more than one shot in the event you are attacked by one of your bulls OR a saltie!!! standard target practice with a bolt action isn’t anywhere near as fun as with a .22 semi-auto because without the extra shots it is impossible to tell just how accurate you are after having to operate the bolt and re-sight. England and Canada have pretty much the same restrictions and have had bombings and shootings along with beheadings from some idiots who used a machete or big knives. Sweden didn’t restrict their guns after that one idiot went nuts and shot up a bunch of kids at a camp but the rest of them sure did. have been waiting for some idiot to really ram home a bill doing the same to us in the u.s.!!! doubt it would ever fly but who knows??

  • Frank J Panzer Jr

    They make the laws change them, canada has the same problem, all these countries that don’t allow guns ,the citizensare targets for thugs, terrorist and any othercriminal activity, We have it here also but we can defend ourselves.

  • Gary Stuckey

    Australians, you can get your gun rights back but the citizens need to pull together and demand that the Praliment restore these rights as it is your God given right to be able to defend yourseleves PERIOD!!!!

  • cmjay

    “The focus would be a review of how the Jihadist acquired his weapon”? .- all of us could have told him how. I wish the GUN control freaks would be victimized , so they will realize their Stupidity.

  • Earl

    I believe, if one checks, Texas had concealed carry at the time of the Luby’s Killeen massacre. It’s just that guns weren’t allowed in restaurants. You can read about it in “FROM LUBY’S TO THE LEGISLATURE” by Suzanna Gratia Hupp who watched her parents die as she obeyed the law and left her licensed, concealable firearm in her car. She got herself elected to the Texas legislature and was instrumental in improving gun laws in Texas.

    • b4k9zp

      That’s not quite correct, Earl. Texas’ unconstitutional law at the time prohibited carrying of any handgun, just about everywhere in the state, on October 16, 1991, when the massacre at the Killeen, Texas Luby’s cafeteria occurred. There were some “affirmative defenses”. Among them were that a person was a licensed peace officer, or a uniformed security guard whose job required him to be armed; that one was “traveling” (which was never defined in the law, but was generally interpreted to mean that one crossed at least one county line within the state with the intention of spending at least one night away from one’s residence), that one was on one’s own premises, that one was “engaged in a lawful hunting activity” (on property on which one had permission to hunt, during an open season on legal game animals); one could carry a handgun legally at a shooting range, or while on the way directly to or back home from said range, or one could legally carry a handgun while taking it to a gun shop for repair or back home after buying one or having one repaired there/ . One could not habitually carry a handgun, openly or concealed, everywhere one went at that time. Guns were not allowed ANYWHERE away from one’s home, or place of business, with those exceptions.

      It was because Ms. Suzanna Gratia Hupp, a resident of Killeen, who was injured at the Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen on 10/16/1991, and whose parents were both killed in that incident, was there that day, that she campaigned for, and finally got Texas’s laws modified somewhat to allowed concealed handgun carry in many locations throughout the state. WE are still working on getting full constitutional carry rights restored everywhere within the state. (I.e. open or concealed carry without having to get permission from government or pay a fee or tax to government for the exercise of a constitutionally protected unalienable civil right and birthright. .

  • Frank Gavere

    This IS exactly what Obama & his crew of Lefty-crackpots want to do here by hook or by crook. They lied to get Obamacare, so dont trust them,its not FOR YOUR GOOD, its so they can do whatever they want,TO YOU.The > next step is concentration camps folks, what DID you think all those FEMA camps are for anyway?

  • Sprit of 1776

    People have the right to protect themselves from armed attacks no matter what country they live in. Anyone who threatens another person needs to be shot in defense. No court, trial case closed.

  • Patriot47

    Precisely why we should NEVER comply with unconstitutional gun restrictions. The good obtained from ANY of them is far outweighed by the bad.

  • Jimbo

    I remember decades ago, when I lived in Florida, there was a liberal newspaper columnist from Chicago who almost weekly attacked our gun rights in the Tampa paper. One day, it was reported that he had shot to death a teenager whom he found swimming in his backyard pool. The handgun the columnist used was unregistered, and he had no permit. As I recall, there was no prosecution.

    The liberal columnist apparently thought that Chicago gun laws only applied to certain people, not him. I think this is generally the case with liberals who oppose gun rights. They just don’t want OTHER people to have guns.

    • b4k9zp

      If we are thinking of the same person, that liberal, anti-gun newspaper columnist was named Carl Rowan, and he was a resident of Washington, DC, where it was illegal to own a handgun at the time.. But Rowan had had a son buy him a handgun in Virginia and bring it to him in DC, a violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968. He did shoot an unarmed teenager whom he caught “skinny-dipping” in his backyard pool, but didn’t kill him on June 14, 1988.

      Rowan had written in 1981 that he advocated “”a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period.” and in 1985 he called for “A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns (except for authorized police and military personnel).” During his trial on illegal possession of a handgun and illegally discharging said firearm, he argued that he had the right to use whatever means necessary to protect himself and his family. He also said the pistol he used was exempt from the District’s handgun prohibition law because it belonged to his older son, a former FBI agent. But it was pointed out during the trial by prosecution lawyers that the Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits transfers even between members of the same family across a state line, unless the firearm transaction is conducted through a federally licensed firearms dealer. The jury deadlocked and a mistrial was declared, and Rowan was never re-tried on any charges.

  • John P

    The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is by a good guy with a gun!!! If sufficient number of people are carrying it becomes like vacination and herd immunity. When crooks think they need to think twice before causing crimes, we will have a more civil society!

  • bigbillofwyandotte

    The Australians made the mistake of simply turning their firearms when the government told them to do so. Now they have a huge problem on their hand. The people were led to believe
    that their police were fully able to protect them at all times. Well, they found out what we Americans have known right along, that when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
    I sure hope they work this out, as I have come to really like them when I visited their country in 2006.

  • Frank

    Rahm Emanuel said quote: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you didn’t think you could do before. this is how the left gets its gun laws pass around the world, it is how the australians lost there guns rights and how the american democrats tried to get americans to start to lose ours. i say use there mantra to get you rights back australia. tell those in power to change the laws so that the people can protect themselves becasue this is proof that the government can’t. tell them to change the laws or you will change the law makers. if enough of you voice this and act on it they will listen.

  • TEK61

    we have to wake up here and fight for rights here

  • James Harris

    Fundamentally change THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA who said that? think this is what OBAMA wants