FSU Gets Hauled Into Court By Pro-Gun Group

Florida State University is facing a lawsuit from a local pro-gun group over its ban on firearms in vehicles. FSU President John Trasher, no stranger to lawsuits brought against him by Florida Carry, was named in the new legal challenge from the group filed last week in a Leon County court. The pro-gun member organization contends the public university’s policy on the storage of ammunition and some types of guns inside private on-campus vehicles doesn’t jibe with state law.

“The new issues deal with the university’s rules and regulations regarding the storage of long guns such as rifles and shotguns in a vehicle, and the prohibition of ammunition in a vehicle,” said Florida Carry attorney Eric Friday. “We hope that the court will require FSU and President Thrasher to comply with state law and quit lying to students in telling them what state law clearly allows them to do.”

The university’s 32-page Student Conduct Code contends it is in compliance with the state’s statute concerning guns on school property. However, Florida Carry argues there is nothing in on the books that allow for a prohibition of long arms or ammo in a private vehicle. Contending they have numerous members who attend the school, the group says those members fear arrest if they practice their protected right to have a rifle or shotgun in their vehicle.

The plaintiffs argue the school has no legal standing to enact the ban, pointing to a 2013 decision by a Florida appeals court that state universities do not have the power to prohibit law-abiding gun owners from keeping loaded firearms in their vehicles while on campus.

Florida Carry, backing up a local student, filed a lawsuit against the school in 2015 after FSU posted that weapons were not permitted to be stored in a vehicle on campus at any time – including events at Doak Campbell Stadium – potentially affecting the gun rights of some 85,000 or more fans on hand for Seminoles’ games. The school backpedaled on that policy within a week, chalking it up to a mistake.

The university was the site of a shooting in 2014 that left three injured and the gunman dead. Thrasher has repeatedly lobbied against campus carry proposals in the state legislature in the past several years.

source: guns.com

  • Allen

    Go Florida Carry. Tomahawk chop those “education” liberals.

  • JOE

    President Trump,”Democracy is two wolves (democrats) and a lamb (republican) voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.”

    • Daniel F. Melton

      James Bovard is sometimes credited for the phrase, and he did use it in the Washington Times, August 29, 1992.

      True then, true now.

      • JOE

        u r right but i just have some fun with it.pisses libTURD demoRATS off more.

        • Daniel F. Melton

          Win-win!

  • JOE

    Mahatma Gandhi,”Among the many misdeeds
    of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a
    whole nation of arms as the blackest.”
    Mahatma Gandhi.
    Tyranny an the demoRATS:.
    Never forget that Stalin banned guns in 1929, then turned around and murdered over 20 million of his own people once they were defenseless!

    Hitler banned guns in 1938, then murdered 13 million people afterwards …

    And Mao Tse Tung banned guns in China, then murdered 40 million helpless citizens …

    We can NEVER let that happen in America. LIBERALISM Is It Mental Illness or Demonic Oppression?

    • apzzyk

      In order for comparisons to be valid they must actually be comparable.
      With Stalin, in his purges he was trying to get rid of what Trump and you call the ‘deep state’ people he claimed to be his personal enemies who did not like his agenda.
      The allies of WWI banned military type of weapons following the surrender of Germany, and under the assertion of National Security, Hitler was able to rearm, and go on to try to carry out his final solution. Today, from Trump’s speech and yours we unarmed liberals would have much to fear.
      Mao began a civil war against the government of Sun Yat Sen, and in the process of pushing the original government onto the formerly independent Island of Tiwan, now Formosa, many people on both sides were killed. How about talking about our similar civil war where the South attacked the Union forces with the weapons that they had, which ended with the first battle of Bull Run, which finally saved DC and our government.
      Now there are some state by state fronts, and I live in N. Colorado, and do not think that the WY is going to attack any time soon, even to try to resuce our small gun nut community from the evils of liberalism.
      About 55 years ago, after I and a friend had been out of the USMC for a couple of years we were attending CSU and had permission to use the facilities at the Forestry Camp with our friends and we were told of a illegal camp with armed men – the local chapter of the Minute Men, and so the 2 of us who were only armed with what we had in our pockets watied until all but the single sentry had gone to sleep, we took him out peacefully by just holding the handle end of a screwdriver to his head, and then disarmed the rest of them for a total of about 20, we threw their car keys into the brush and then shut the trunks with their clothes in them and went back and had a nights rest and then watched them from the hill overlook while they tried to get untied. We called a wrecker to come get the tresspassing cars and never heard a word about it. At 79 I would be willing to do the same thing again. I have not needed or felt the need for a personal firearm since I got out of the USMC in 1961. Why are you and others so afraid of your own shadows?

      • Along Came Jones

        Thanks for the chuckle Chuco, if your story is true then you have proved why liberals are so dangerous! You broke so many parts of the oath you took to enter the USMC that it is no doubt you are a liberal, Not to mention your disrespect for the second amendment, 20 counts of kidnap, intimidation, torture and stealing their personal belongings while on public lands all because your political beliefs were different from yours. What proof did you have that the group of U.S. Citizens were Minute Men. A thief in the night is a thief no matter what! You were not officers of the law and when you took your oath did you swear to shoot American Citizens if ordered to? The Democrats sure could have used you two brave devil dogs when Carter tried to rescue our hostages from Iran, RIGHT? Look at very recent history, any group that supports your and my right to keep and bare arms is labeled traitorous by you insane liberals. Your and your friend’s service to the country meant nothing if your story is true!

        • JOE
        • apzzyk

          I was an employee of the University, with permission to be on the Forestry Camp during off hours, and as a University employee, I had the duty to keep the property safe and free from Tresspassers. and so I had keys to both the entrance gate, and the master keys to the buildings where there were phones which would have allowed me to call the Sheriff and report the Trespassers so that they could have been arrested for their crime of having firearms on University property, tresspassing and having a camp fire out of the regular camping area, which my friends and I were using legally. At the time having a gun on University property carried a maximum of 5 years in prison and so did tresspassing and then there was destruction of university property when they cut the fence to gain entry. After they had gotten free and some how made it back to civilization they all reported their cars as having been stolen so there were false reporting charges, where my friends and I would have been more than willing to testify in court against them. A year or so before a female student’s room was being searched for contraband as allowed by her contract with the University while she was in class, and she got 6 months in the county jail and permanently expelled from the University so with both a felony on her record and the expulsion she probably could not get into any other University in the US – ruined her life. The thought of calling the sheriff crossed my mind but we thought that we could take care of the situation, which we did, and by not reporting them and letting the sheriff handle it with all of the consequences that they would have faced, we did them a favor, and just embarassed them, where we could have gotten them years in prison and all that goes with that.
          Now, with concealed carry on campus due to suits, the campus police are armed, and so far there have been no shoot outs on campus, but there have been shootings in off campus private housing on the usual domestic disputes with some wounds but no deaths yet.
          Even people with guns have to obey the laws which they could challenge in the courts, and with the anti government views that sometimes go along with gun ownership this creates a very dangerous situation for all. During my almost 6 years at this University I personally witnessed when students had psychotic breaks, where had they been armed there probably would have been casualties. A couple of years after I left this U and became a member of the faculty at another U, I was forced to have one student expelled for threatening me over grades, and had to caution several others when it appeared that they were about to do the same as the one who was expelled. In potentially volitile places such as universities or even military bases, where the troops are usually deprived of their firearms when in garrison and have no access to ammo, with the penalty for possessing ammo off the range being Brig time and a less than honorable discharge where people do not think of the consequences in the heat of emotions.
          In looking at the population of US prisons over the years, I would guess that over 99% of the past and current inmates could have been law abiding gun owners at one time, and just this year in CO several have made the transition from law abiding gun owner to convict, which says that there is probably a place for you too, if you do not follow the applicable laws, and could get no protection from the 2nd Amendment.
          There is a 5 year minimum enhancement for any federal crime, which includes making a false statement or filing a false income tax return, where you do not even need to use the gun in the crime, but just having it hanging on the wall while committing the offense, will get you the extra 5 years.
          In my personal opinion as one who has just done Mental Health research in both state hospitals and in the community, that your thought patterns are not within the normal range based just on your words and have a high enough probability of being dangerous to themselves and others that they should be at least temporatily disarmed, be offered treatment until fall within the normal range. In CO we have had Mr. Dear, who walked into a Planned Parenthood Office, shot and killed two people, including a vet, and then a law officer, and after about 3 years is still not competent to stand trial, which only means now that he cannot assist his attorney in preparing his defense – not to rule out inanity at the time.
          On the other hand there are my gun owning neighbors who will soon be heading off for the Mountains to look for Bambi and Thumper, which is code for getting away from their wives for a week and sitting around the camp drinking beer and finally putting a single round in the chamber, and discharging it safely into the ground so that they can claim to have at least gotten a shot at a real animal. Something like the one that got away during fishing season.
          Data is now being collected and analized which will show that firearms are a hazard to public health, which will change the standards of the courts just like when tobacco and tobacco products were similarly declared 50 years ago and along came all of the legal and reasonable restrictions that I pay for now, because I have been smoking for 65 years and I know that I have to die from something, so I did make the intelligent decision that for me, the risk does justify the rewards. All of the people who told me that smoking was going to kill me 60 years ago are dead, and I am still going strong.
          The CA ‘red flag’ law is coming to a place near you soon. After Parkland, having a high NRA rating or taking campaign money from them may work out as well as the tariffs on China have done – last month was a record high for our trade imbalance wit them for us. It will get worse when the additional tariffs are added next week. Please tell me when we are Great.

      • Daniel F. Melton

        ***With Stalin, in his purges he was trying to get rid of what Trump and
        you call the ‘deep state’ people he claimed to be his personal enemies
        who did not like his agenda.***

        The “deep state” includes the twenty million or so Kulaks who were murdered in a deliberately inflicted famine known s the holomodor? http://holodomorct.org/

        ***The allies of WWI banned military type of weapons following the surrender of Germany, and under the assertion of National Security, Hitler was able to rearm, and go on to try to carry out his final solution. ***

        Wrong again. The Allies disarmed the German military, proscribing artillery, tanks, and warships along with severely limiting the size of the German war machine. The German people were disarmed by the Weimar Republic’s registration and the subsequent confiscation of registered weapons by the national socialists.
        https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook/
        **In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner
        Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

        ***Mao began a civil war against the government of Sun Yat Sen, and in the process of pushing the original government onto the formerly independent Island of Tiwan, now Formosa, many people on both sides were killed. ***

        I note that you tend to ignore the wholesale murder of any who were suspected of “disloyalty”.
        https://scottmanning.com/content/communist-body-count/
        **People’s Republic of China
        Body Count: 73,237,000
        1949-Present (57+ years and counting)R.J. Rummel originally estimated China’s body count between between the years of 1949-1987 to be 35,236,000 (Rummel 1994). This excluded 38,000,000 million that died of famine during the Great Leap Forward. After the release of Mao: The Unknown Story, Rummel became convinced that the Chinese government was directly responsible for the famine, thus increasing his original estimate by
        38,000,000 (Rummel 2005). 1,000 was added for Tienanmen Square in 1989 (Courtois 1999).

        https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4691-china-betrayed-into-communism
        Lots of meat here.

        *** How about talking about our similar civil war where the South attacked the Union forces with the weapons that they had, which ended with the first battle of Bull Run, which finally saved DC and our government.***

        Your personal recollections aside, the “First Battle of Bull Run” was a major defeat of Union forces by Confederate Army forces.
        https://www.battlefields.org/learn/civil-war/battles/bull-run

        Why do I suspect that your 55 year old glorification and self aggrandizement are a product of your imagination, just like the previous paragraphs of your post?

      • JOE

        well then don’t get one no https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/005fb316448c004a61f532bd2f2db2f50bc4544d95e49ab913d0ba977d8b594a.jpg body try make you so what your problem?

      • CrustyOldGeezer

        WE, the INTELLIGENT AMERICANS will continue to ensure the survival of liberals under the best, and the worst of times.

        And YES, i do seriously doubt that you were ever a marine.
        And the same for ‘murtha’, one of the most useless pieces of garbage to ever draw a breath.

  • Tom

    I personally dont think that any school should be a gun free zone, that is why so many of our children are being murdered in our schools, now I do believe that anyone with a gun should be licensed to carry.

    • CrustyOldGeezer

      ” I do believe that anyone with a gun should be licensed to carry”…. huh? so the government knows who has guns and can come collect them?

      NO!

      Would you consider:

      Put up signs that say:

      “The Staff and Faculty are ARMED, WELL TRAINED and EAGER to PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!”

      Pay the willing teachers and staff a couple hundred extra each month, furnish the weapon and all the ammunition they need to practice with,.

      Make a deal with the local indoor ranges for them to practice in.

      When the ‘unwilling’ decide the money would be nice, and give it a try, their eyes will open and they will become avid shooters as well.

      • Tom

        I see you are very critical in a sarcastic way, I guess your ok with our schools just continue to be killing fields for the insane. These insane madmen continue to go to our gun free zones (our schools ) and have a gay old time, you know, believe it or not, guns don’t kill people all on their own, they have to be in a lunatics hand to kill someone. I’ve had a concealed carry permit since the beginning of year 2000 and have had multiple guns, and believe it or not, not one single gun in my possession has ever killed anyone. But you go on with your beliefs and I will continue with my beliefs.

        • CrustyOldGeezer

          Tom, I’m not sure if it’s your reading skills that are lacking, or the COMPREHENSION skills that failed you in this instance.

          Please re-read my comment.

          I’ll try to help you out.

          we tried “Gun Control” with GUN FREE ZONES and We ain’t interested!”

          We tried “A fully armed society is a Polite Society” and set up Gun Shows.

          We met The politest people you will ever meet! and made a lot of friends with compete strangers.

          • Tom

            I apologize, I completely misunderstood your comment.

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            Kinda had the idea it was something simple.

            No problems Friend.

    • Daniel F. Melton

      Registration is the first step towards confiscation.

      The Second Amendment to the Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      Nowhere does that Amendment include a “permission of the government” clause.

      “The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” has too long been honoured in the breach than in observance, to the detriment of our society. Two notable authors have penned statements that illustrate the benefit of carrying personal weapons:

      Robert A Heinlein wrote “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”

      This sentiment is better explained by Marko Kloos in Why the Gun is Civilization: “Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

      In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

      When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

      There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

      Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

      When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation … and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.”

      • Tom

        I agree with what you say. I also carry a weapon for protection, I also have a laser sight on my weapon, so when I pull my weapon I don’t have to bother to line up my sights on the perpetrater, all I have to do is put the green dot on his chest and pull the trigger and my weapon does the rest, my laser is an instant on, as soon as I pull my weapon out of my holster, and I do carry with one in the chamber, so it takes mere seconds to send a projectile down range. I’m 80 years old and I have been accosted prior to getting my CWP, and thankfully I haven’t been accosted since, because I really don’t want to ever have to shoot someone, but at least I am prepared, because at my age another a$$wippen could kill me.

      • CrustyOldGeezer

        Amendment II

        A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
        state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
        infringed.

        “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,”

        The “militia” were the FULLY ARMED AND EQUIPPED CIVILIANS, from farmers
        to shopkeepers, they held the LATEST IN MILITARY WEAPONRY and WON our
        Independence with those weapons.

        The CURRENT Militia is CONSTITUTIONALLY AUTHORIZED to carry the LATEST WEAPONS OF WAR and THAT SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

        Including high capacity magazines.

        The “high capacity magazine” do not kill people, but the blocking of
        ARMED CITIZENS WILLING TO STOP THE KILLINGS certainly does.

        • Daniel F. Melton

          Your statement has been proven correct in the case of every socialist dictatorship that has been inflicted throughout history.

  • CrustyOldGeezer

    My requests for Billboards to be put up across the country.

    “we tried Gun Control.

    GUN FREE ZONES

    IS gun control.

    We ain’t interested!”

    We tried

    “A fully armed society is a Polite Society

    GUN SHOWS

    The politest people you will ever meet!”

  • apzzyk

    I would like to see some univeristy or even High School that is being sued over something like this just open their stadiums for an hour or so each week to be a free fire zone so that get rid of as many law suits as possible at the lowest cost to the taxpayers.

    • Daniel F. Melton

      As opposed to the masked and armed “antifa” screaming monkey brigades (supported and encouraged by communist academia) who attack UNARMED citizens, destroy property, and silence dissenting voices by intimidation?

      “When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation … and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.”

      From: Why the Gun is Civilization
      By Marko Kloos

    • Along Came Jones

      A gun free zone is a free fire zone idiot!

  • JOE

    Mahatma Gandhi,”Among the many misdeeds
    of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a
    whole nation of arms as the blackest.”
    Mahatma Gandhi.
    Tyranny an the demoRATS:.
    Never forget that Stalin banned guns in 1929, then turned around and murdered over 20 million of his own people once they were defenseless!

    Hitler banned guns in 1938, then murdered 13 million people afterwards …

    And Mao Tse Tung banned guns in China, then murdered 40 million helpless citizens …

    We can NEVER let that happen in America. LIBERALISM Is It Mental Illness or Demonic Oppression? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/005fb316448c004a61f532bd2f2db2f50bc4544d95e49ab913d0ba977d8b594a.jpg

  • Crew-servedFiddler

    In the Twentieth Century, more people were murdered by their own governments – methodically, sometimes even casually by passionless bureaucrats – than were killed by outside aggression. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, Idi Amin, Hafez Al Assad (father of the present leader of Syria), The Revolutionary Islamic Rulers of Iran, the Military Junta of Argentina in the 1970s… It’s a very long list. In most cases, the roundups, imprisonment, torture, and executions were made easy by first requiring registration of firearms, then making possession a crime — disarming of the population. One self-proclaimed “Badass Marine” ignoring the U.S. Constitution does not counter the entire history of oppressive government.