Are Gun Seizures Becoming Mandatory in NY?

As his first proposal of the 2018 legislative year, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Wednesday a push to expand the list of misdemeanor crimes resulting in the loss of gun rights.

Besides ensuring that all domestic violence misdemeanors in New York find their way to the list of prohibited offenses triggering gun removals, Cuomo also wants judges to mandate the surrender of all firearms owned by those who are the subject of a protective order and suspend any firearm license until the case is resolved.

“This year will be remembered as the year of reckoning, when both the tragedy of mass shootings and cultural and institutional harassment of women became impossible to ignore,” said Cuomo, a Democrat who signed the state’s SAFE Act gun control package into law in 2013. “Building on the Women’s Equality Agenda, we are continuing our mission for progressive values and women’s rights with this legislation to target the unquestionable relationship between domestic violence and gun violence.”

In a statement from Cuomo’s office, he cites that in 2016, firearms were used in 25 domestic homicides in the state. According to FBI statistics, the state overall saw 630 cases of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter last year.

Though federal law since 1996 has held that those with a conviction for a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence cannot use, possess, or transport guns or ammunition, Cuomo intends to introduce legislation to expand the definition under New York law to include some strangulation and assault and battery crimes. Further, he plans to back a measure which would force those surrendering arms to give up rifles and shotguns as well, whereas current state law only applies to handguns.

Finally, the governor wants judges to be obligated to order gun surrenders in every domestic violence case, removing the current judicial discretion allowed under the law for those charged and the subject of a protective order but before their conviction.

At the end of 2016, federal regulators had 57,591 active files on prohibited firearms possessors reported from New York to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System due to protective orders in domestic abuse cases, a figure not bested by any other state.

The New York State Legislature begins their 2018 session on January 3.

  • Charles McNulty

    Well, definitely won’t be moving to or visiting new york as long as that dumb ass cuomo is there. Typical lefty democrap. People with carry permits are some of the most law abiding citizens in this country. Try figuring out how to get guns from the real criminals and leave the law abiding alone.

    • pappy450

      You will NEVER see him attempt to remove guns from the CRIMINALS, because they are “HIS” people.
      The LAW-ABIDING are a THREAT to his dictatorship.

      • Tom

        All Democrats want to be dictators, and one of the worst was Obama, in fact if he had, had his way he would still be our President, he wanted a third term, and strange thing is that he wasn’t even a natural born citizen of the United States. He claimed he was born in Hawaii, but hid his birth certificate during his whole first term, and I believe that was because it took those first 4 yrs to create a forgery, and even that wasn’t a very good one, because it was examined by two different forgery companies (one from the United States and the other from Great Britain) and both of them came up with the same conclusion, they found a birth certificate with a different name on it, and when they made transperincency of them and held them up to the light all of the pertinent details lined up as though nothing had changed other than the names (especially the way the words lined up even when some of the words were canted) as if they had typed up a standard form and then just printed up the different names on each of the birth certificates, and these two birth certificates were the only two that lined up the same, go figure.

        • pappy450

          Yes, and don’t forget the woman that “manufactured” his “FRAUDULENT BIRTH CERTIFICATE” ended up to be the only death in that “airplane crash” (even though she was seen floating in the water after the crash and “mysteriously” LOST her life jacket while in the water.) Kind of sounds like the way the cintons and their HIRED HITMEN “take care” of people that “know too much”, doesn’t it?
          Just usual DEMOCOMMIE “practices”.

          • Tom

            Your right all of the people that have been at odds with the Clinton, have mysteriously disappeared or died under suspicious incidences. Go figure.

          • shoemama

            Tom: It was Obama’s grandmother who said she was there, in area soon to be called Kenya, when Barry was born. She died soon after that. Obama’s mother is apparently dead, also, but very little has appeared in print concerning her life.

          • Tom

            Ok, I am mistaken about it being his mother, but still why would Obama kill his grandmother, he still has no morals.

          • Tom

            Your right, the Democrats are certainly sounding like communists now. That’s one reason I didn’t want Hillary in the Whitehouse, that and many other reasons.

    • Jimbo Velasquez

      Cuomo is doing exactly what he wants…..CONFISCATION!

      • RC

        Confiscation in New York would just be the first step to doing it nation wide. If we lose both houses of Congress to the Socialists posing as Democrats we honest tax paying law abiding citizens will have a big problem. First, they’ll impeach President Trump, find him guilty, kick him out of office, confiscate all firearms (even priceless antiques) and we’ll be helpless to defend ourselves when this country becomes an Islam worshiping dictatorship under sharia law. Those people are trying to overthrow our government so they can rule us instead of represent us. I truly hope I’m wrong but some of will fight it. We won’t have the chance of a snowball in hell but we’ll just have to wait and see.

        • Jimbo Velasquez

          Maybe in NY,but I live in TEXAS….Wont happen here without blood shed.

          • RC

            Dream on, Jimbo. I live in Arizona and I think we have more freedom that you. I really hope I’m wrong in what I think could happen, so we’ll just have to wait and see. Speaking for myself, I’ll fight it if it comes to that.

          • Jimbo Velasquez

            I have to disagree with you on ya’ll having more freedom tha Texas. By the looks on who ya’ll elect, it looks more like a “Blue State”. No insult intended…..just my opinion.

          • RC

            Well Jimbo, I will agree that we have some damn fools here. But how many people do you see in Texas carrying concealed or openly? People here can carry concealed without a CCW. Personally I feel that’s wrong and don’t think that should be allowed. If a person doesn’t want to qualify for a CCW he/she shouldn’t be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. I have a CCW and never leave home without my .45. And isn’t your capital a sanctuary city? At least Phoenix supposedly gave that up. Actually it’s nice to be able to disagree without a bunch of name calling and insults like those anti-American Socialists posing as Democrats do.

          • Jimbo Velasquez

            You might be right about Austin being a “Sanctuary City”, but I blame that on all those liberal Californians moving here. But I really believe when “Push comes to Shove” true TEXAN Heritage will win out.

          • RC

            You’ve obviously got a very good point there. We see almost bumper to bumper cars from California headed east on Interstate 10. My granddaughter lives in northern Nevada and they’re migrating there by the numbers, too. Problem is, they run away from what’s happening in California but want to take it all with them. I grew up there in the 1930’s. It was like living in paradise then. Now we’d rather have a root canal than even think about going back to visit relatives.

        • cyberscan

          Sir, the people’s insurance policy is to learn to make their own commercial quality guns and ammunition in their own homes. If even 5% of the people did that, no form of gun control would be relevant. People who want guns and ammunition still would be able to get them, and the lucky 5% knowing how to make them will have a good income stream. I encourage people to obtain these skills online.

      • cyberscan

        In states like Commifornika, Sillinois, New Yuck, underground gunsmithing and pressing should occur in every neighborhood. These communists will not give up, so I hope the people of these states start showing their tyrants the futility of their effort.

  • Howard Bigelow

    The liberal anti gun jacka**es are one of the reasons I didn’t go back to N.Y. when I retired from the Navy. I found my piece of paradise in North Idaho.

    • Tom

      Smart move, just like a stated in my post right above yours.

    • George Cullen

      Wise choice! North Idaho is still living with the Second Amendment as it was intended by our forefathers.
      Any simpleton can refute every gun-grabber’s blather about the need for strict, tight gun control with limited purchase ability, because gun owners are criminals, violent, unhinged and dangerous.
      Idaho is just one of the very-low-crime states with 2nd Amendment Carry. With few standard exceptions, ANY PERSON 21+, may carry as many friggin’ firearms as they can or want to. With NO PERMIT, or further Socialist-induced nonsense. Those adults 18-21 may carry concealed firearms with the SHALL issue permit. If anyone WANTS a CCW permit in Idaho, but does not need one to carry a concealed firearm, they may optionally request one.

      Maybe the folks in Idaho are just somehow “different” from folks in New York, or the other very HIGH CRIME states, with “uber-strict” Socislist govt. style gun control.
      But, I believe it has less to do with most owners of legally-acquired firearms, and more to do with states being run by the Democrat/Socialist mobsters, criminal elected Democrat/Socialists running their state in a mob-style “food chain” of control, from the state level downward to the local levels.
      This type system appeals very much to the drug trade, human trade, and all other tyes of organized and semi-organized criminals.
      Chicago, New York, san Francisco, Los Angeles and Detroit are cities that pop into mind immediately.
      Super high crime levels, run by Democrat/Socialists, high murder rates, organized criminals, corrupt and organized Democrat/Socialist leaders, very tight to extremely tight gun control placed on citizens, their failed elected Democrat/Socialists demand that their failed policies on most things including strict gun control and even confiscation be adopted by all other states, in losk-step, Socialist fashion. Despite the irrationality of doing so, or the anti-Constitutionality of doing so.
      All they want is an unarmed polulace, which ultimately, cannot stop a tyrannical regime outside of the rule of Constititional law.

    • johnmcv

      Snow much up there?

      • johnmcv

        Actually….real human beings from Upstate NY would fit in very well in Idaho.

  • pappy450

    Just another CORRUPT COMMUNIST DEMOCOMMIE “dictator” that needs to be voted to HELL out of his “kingdom”, because like all “rulers” he believes he is ABOVE the laws of the land (like MOST DEMOCOMMIES) and constantly stomps on the Constitution and Bill of RIGHTS (just like the MOOSLIME FRAUD, OSCUMBAG did for 8 years.) BUT you will never see any “change” because the “city” people, ILLEGALS, (that he allowed, and encouraged to vote) incarcerated prisoners that were “allowed” to vote,), and the soros company hacked “voting machines” will continue to push the VOTE and INSTALL his CORRUPT butt right back in ( just like before). He has to continue these “practices” to “protect” his “voting block” of corrupt criminals and SCUM.

    • Tom

      That’s why if I wanted to have a concealed weapon permit, I would put my property that I owned in any liberal state up for sale and move to a state that believed in concealed carry rights (a conservative state).

      • pappy450

        Tom,
        I LIVE in the COMMUNIST STATE of N.Y. (Northern tier) and have a Concealed carry permit that a liberal judge attempted to remove from all of us that live in my county. HE FAILED. Unless we can keep a Conservative in the White House,a majority in Congress, and replace the “progressive” communist “judges” in the courts, this erosion of rights, and gun confiscation, will continue throughout the U.S. NO ONE will be “safe” from “government overreach”. THAT is the ONLY way the COMMUNISTS (democommies/rinos) can turn us all into obedient sheep, ripe for their tyrannical “takeover”. History has PROVEN THIS time and time again if you care to look it up. (that IS IF you can find an OLDER “history book” That hasn’t been re-written by the “progressives”) You know, the ones that are in schools and colleges, “teaching” the kids today.

        • Tom

          Well I’m not really wanting to step on anyone’s toes here, but the only thing I have to go on here is , I live in Texas, and I don’t think my RTC (Right To Carry) permit will ever be revoked, and I’ve had it for seventeen years, and I realize it is touch and go in the liberal states, and I really feel for people that live in liberal states because I know the people that want gun rights are out voted, so I’m just saying if I lived in a liberal state I would sell out and move. Because I’m 80 years old and I have been accosted by hoodlums before and I just don’t want to be beat up, and don’t ever want to be put in that situation again, because at my age, if I were to be beat up it could kill me, and i just feel safer in a conservative state.

          • pappy450

            Tom,
            I have a son that was smarter than I, and moved to Texas. I was injured on the job, am 62 years old and am 100% disabled. I have more metal in me than a junkyard, so moving would be a challenge for me. I have had a concealed carry permit since I turned 21, BUT this year because of communist cuomo, I had to re-do my “information” online with cuomo’s ss patrol (state troopers). OR just another way for the “governor’s” ss troops to know where to come to get your guns. The Sherriff’s office had handled the pistol permits in N.Y. State for as long as I can remember, BUT cuomo needed his private “goon squad” to get their fingers in the pie.

          • Tom

            pappy450,
            Thanks for your reply, I’m sorry about cuomo, and I don’t know much about him, but I assume he’s a liberal, and I don’t think to highly about liberals, and that’s why I live in Texas (a conservative state), but it sounds like you’ve got a handle on it, good luck.

          • pappy450

            Consider yourself lucky you DON’T know cuomo. He is the 2nd in a line of corrupt crooked Italians that RUN N.Y. State. His “daddy” was “governor” for a while and ran things similar. He is indeed a “progressive liberal;” (communist) intent on running for president and PUSHING his corrupt crooked agenda throughout the country. I would familiarize myself with this CROOK if I were you, because you may be called to vote against his butt if he attempt to run for POTUS.

          • Tom

            Well, thanks for the info, I will probably never vote for him, if he is a liberal, because I am a solid Republican and I vote in every election, because after Obama and the threat of Hillary becoming President, I will definitely vote in every election, even if I’m sick, because I am elderly and vote by absentee ballot, the only way I won’t vote is if I am deceased, then I guess you can’t count on my vote, because only the liberals use names of the deceased, to vote multiple times, and hopefully Trump will get that squashed, if he can get all of the states to approve of voter ID.

        • Tom

          That’s the reason that Obama appointed as many liberal judges as he could, because he really hated Americans, and I don’t know if you caught it or not, but when Obama was elected to his first term as President, Michelle said right after he was elecred, that she guessed that since her husband was now President, that they would have to quit hating America. I couldn’t believe she actually said, it but she did, and I didn’t read it, I actually heard her say it. I never saw it in type, because I’m sure the fake news would never bring it up.

          • pappy450

            SHE?? That ‘thing” in a dress wasn’t any “she”. “it’s” name was Michael Robinson. The American people were bamboozled by a “gay” mooslime dope fiend, “kids” that were NOT “theirs”, and his tranny, so the DEMOCOMMIES could “sell” the story they were a “family”. Another SICK “joke” in an attempt to bring down AMERICA. NOW we have a REAL PRESIDENT, that CARES about the American People, A REAL FIRST FAMILY, and REAL absolutely GORGEOUS “FIRST LADY”. What a change for the better for sure.

  • Terry Butts

    “Cuomo also wants judges to mandate the surrender of all firearms owned
    by those who are the subject of a protective order and suspend any
    firearm license until the case is resolved.”

    So that all a criminal has to do is make an unfounded accusation in a manner that convinces a judge to issue such an order and their intended victim will be disarmed until they go to court and PROVE they are Innocent months or years later. Many times especially in domestic violence cases it is easy for judges or even investigators to be confused about who the victim was especially in the early stages of the investigation when such an order would be issued.

    In fact in one state they are or did prosecute the INTENDED victim of one they had a protective order against claiming that because it took ONE BULLET MORE than they wanted to LIMIT THE CAPACITY of guns to in order to stop the criminal they were going to ignore the evidence that made it open and shut self defense and prosecute the intended victim for murder even though that RESTRICTION failed to even pass the DA was going to ACT as if it had in the case. Essentially enforcing a FAILED TO PASS gun restriction by prosecuting anyone that defends themselves with a gun that was not limited they way he wanted. I guess he would have been FINE with that other bullet if the victim had to take the time to swap magazines (giving the criminal a chance to kill him) between the LIMIT the DA wanted imposed and the last bullet that it took to stop the criminal.

    Any person with a protective order against them that would actually harm someone that got the protective order against them would not be disarmed by such actions short of SEARCHING all their properties with some way to see through walls etc. and putting them under 24/7 surveillance to prevent them ILLEGALLY acquiring one or even building their own they will not stop a criminal that is determined to harm someone.

    ““This year will be remembered as the year of reckoning, when both the
    tragedy of mass shootings and cultural and institutional harassment of
    women became impossible to ignore,” said Cuomo”

    EVERY ANTI GUN POLITICIAN is ignoring these things as their response is DISARM even more victims to aid the criminals who VIOLATED EXISTING gun laws to commit their crimes AS WELL AS THE LONG EXISTING LAWS AGAINST THOSE CRIMES.

    As far as I am concerned every politician that IGNORED the many survivors of attacks who stated in testimony before congress “IF I HAD VIOLATED THE SAME GUN LAW AND HAD MINE WITH ME HE WOULD NOT HAVE KILLED THAT MANY PEOPLE” and imposed even more restrictions to ensure the LAW ABIDING people would be disarmed in those places should be removed from office especially the one that sat their with a stupid grin on his face as if laughing at the victims for blatantly telling him THE LAW WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS to protect them the criminal simply IGNORED IT while they obeyed and thus became unarmed victims of the criminal.

    What is even more horrific is the POLITICIANS are aware that in many of these cases the BAN ON GUNS in the place was why the CRIMINAL picked them as a target the CRIMINAL knew no LAW ABIDING person would be armed in the place yet the POLITICIANS response was an attempt to make as many places as possible “GUN FREE ZONES” on the false claim it would DISARM those criminals that it has already been proven IGNORE such laws even using the BANS enforcement to PICK THEIR TARGETS.

  • rivahmitch

    If there are any Americans left in the state (admittedly doubtful) there should be some dead cops and politicians once this confiscation starts.

    • pappy450

      Like I always said, (as well as MANY of my Hunter friends,) They MAY get US, BUT there will be many that “go” with us.
      12 gauge MAGNUM 00 Buckshot at close range will do a number and a “vest” doesn’t cover the head. (because THAT is where I aim.)

      • myfordtruck

        wont stop a 12 gauge slug eather

        • pappy450

          Or my 230 Grain XTP .45 acp +p round in the head. Just remember to practice, practice, practice. Keep your “skills” sharp. If you need help, seek out a licensed firearms instructor.

          • myfordtruck

            been shooting since I was around 10 and still shooting at 63 think I Can Still hit what I shoot at last time I was putting 230gr 45 in 6 inch 50ft shooting one handed me and that colt still got it and am still deer hunting my 45s are all ways a little hot because load my own

          • pappy450

            You have got 1 year on me. (that is until January when I turn 63) I too, “load my own” I haven’t purchased factory ammo in years. Colt eh? I have a Long Colt .45 Anaconda revolver I still bring out and “play” with every once in a while, but my “carry concealed weapon” is a Ruger .45 ACP.
            The “hot” loads I carry when I am out and about, but when shooting a lot of targets, I keep them “toned down”, so I don’t wear out my spring.

          • myfordtruck

            for target shooting i cast hard lead bullet with less powder also so far the only molds is for the 45 and 3.12 30 cal for my ak and sks guns still got to get a few more molds because I like to carry a 38

          • pappy450

            Guard those molds like GOLD, my friend, because we may need them sooner than later. I have molds for .45. .358 for my .357 Magnum and 38 special, .308 for my 30-06 and even molds for muzzle loader minnie-ball projectiles .58 cal, .50. cal, .54 cal maxi-ball and round ball also. I have stockpiled lead ingots and antimony for many years just in case. I also reload shotgun rounds too. .410, 20, and 12 gauge. My Father taught me well.

          • myfordtruck

            I have to get a 38 , 9 mm and 380, 308 but I do have a 45 round ball for my flintlock rifle and several pounds of BP have never reloaded shotgun shells also forgot need a 45lc mold

          • pappy450

            If you DO have an interest in shotshell reloading, LEE makes a relatively inexpensive reloader to get you started. I Prefer MEC, But did acquire a LEE loader just to see how they worked. The last 12 gauge MEC I bought was on e-bay for $85.00. IT was from an “estate sale”. Good Luck.

          • myfordtruck

            most of the stuff I have is Lee is pretty good and reasonable

          • pappy450

            I agree. Even though I have many RCBS dies and a press, I have bought a few LEE die sets and found them to be comparable to the “high priced” dies, and I LOVE the “factory crimp” that they include with the set. I could never get the right amount of crimp with the “roll” crimp. (even though I trimmed the shells and “miked” them to EXACTLY the same size.) I also purchased the new LEE “primer” tool that bolts to the bench. Saves on the hands.

          • myfordtruck

            I got the trimer I use a drill and I made a handle and pressed on trimer end and use a single stage press that has a primmer tool and you can push it to top and dump powder in put in other press and put bullet in and crimp

          • pappy450

            I have a LEE case trimmer for each caliber and I too, use my battery-powered drill to trim the cases as well as the tool to chamfer the the inside and outside after trim. Check out the new LEE tool for priming. That way you do not have the chance of contaminating the primers with oil from your skin.
            You dump them in the primer tray, shake to bring them to the right side exposed, close the tray, and prime away. Worth a look. Works great.

          • myfordtruck

            no this has auto dispenser that puts in a holder and when bring it down it primes shell

          • myfordtruck

            mine works the same way has two different holders one for large primers and one small that mounts on single stage press when press shell into neck sizer you press primer dispenser over it put primer in holder then you pull shell out of siser all the way down and install primer at end of stroke

          • pappy450

            Mine is a separate tool that bolts to my bench, has the two different trays and punches for the large and small primers. That way I can prime ALL the cases before I start to charge them up. (after I run them through my polisher for about an hour to get rid of the sizing lube). (any lubrication when you resize can contaminate a primer and the round will fail) I also made my own wooden oak shell holder trays with forstener bits and my drill press from my wood shop. Most hold 100 shells.
            That way I can charge them all with my digital powder measure, and when I get them all done I can visually check to see that I haven’t “double charged” any rounds.

          • myfordtruck

            Mine is basically the same except I use A Classic cast press and use the early version of Safety Primer feed look at the press I use and you will see primer holder that the feed put primer in it all the sane except I open the case neek a little so bullet goes in easier other than that I do every thing like you do I use two single stage presses instead of my turret press because I don’t like it

          • pappy450

            I too, stay away from “turret presses” I have an RCBS rock chucker. I like the “feel” of having control over every round. It may take a bit longer, but when I am done, I KNOW every round was done EXACTLY the same as the other. You don’t have that “luxury” with a turret press.

          • cyberscan

            I would like to see some research done more on how to improvised powders, primers, casings, etc just as an insurance policy against ammo bans like what is happening in California and Illinois. I think in these states, underground gun smithing and ammo pressing shops should pop up all over the place. Gun grabbers of all stripes need to be shown the futility of their efforts.

        • cyberscan

          You fine folks here do more to fight for “Second Amendment” guaranteed liberties than any “hero” (I’m a veteran and I’m not putting them down) in uniform. When one can make their own ammo, ammo restrictions become much less relevant. When one can make his or her own firearms, firearm restrictions become less irrelevant.

          I like the talk about presses, dies, trimmers,micrometers, etc. Lets also talk more about drill presses, routers, jigs, end mills, drill bits, 80% frames and receivers, etc.

          • myfordtruck

            I have most of the stuff but not a mill and my lathe is a 7×10 inch so I talk about what I can do with what I have now if you have a spare mill laying I would take it quick

          • cyberscan

            I know there are jigs available to mill out 80% receivers using a jig, a router, drill press (optional), and a $17 – $35 end mill bit as well as a few drill bits. Right now, those things along with other parts ordered online with no I.D. are all that are required for a person to exercise Second Amendment “guaranteed” liberties without a seller having to ask the government for permission to sell an item.

            I’m sure gun grabbing Communists will try to make selling firearm parts without background checks illegal, but only a little more is needed to make the whole darned gun in one’s shop. C.N.C. is getting cheap, and there are machines available for under $2000. If and when access to federally licensed firearms become totally cut off, I am willing to bet that there will be many more untraceable firearms showing up.

            What should scare people is the fact that with current technology, there exists more devastating weapons than primitive guns and explosives. If the .0000!% chance of successful total gun control were to occur, bad guys will turn to some of the much more devastating weapons. That should scare all of us!

    • cyberscan

      Open source gun making tools, supplies, and equipment are easily purchased online with no questions asked. They can outlaw the supplies, but the tools and equipment will only be improved to compensate. Gun control is irrelevant and only serves to maybe add more time to a criminal’s already bloated prison sentence.

      Even if, for the sake of argument, guns are completely eliminated, there are many other more insidious ways bad people can inflict suffering. High powered retina burning laser can be had for cheap online with no questions asked. They can work from miles away. These in turn can be controlled and aimed by computer. They consume no ammunition, are silent, and have no ballistic curve.

      CRISPER and other gene editing technologies have the potential for backyard weapons makers of creating more devastating weapons. Guns and explosives are primitive forms of defense. These tin pot dictators should be glad that people are sticking to guns and explosives. Make firearms too hard to get, and people will turn to more insidious methods. Technology can be a great equalizer.

  • Diane Snyder

    NOTICE HOW THIS NEW CRAP ROLLED OUT– HAS NO ACCOUNTING FOR THE MANY MORE HUNDREDS OF GOOD PEOPLE THAT HELP NORMAL CITIZENS WITH THEIR PROTECTIVE INSTINCTS?? WHEN THE POLICE ARE NOT THERE ON THE SCENE??? WE NEED THOSE WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO CARRY IN OUR SURROUNDINGS SO THAT MORE OF US DO HAVE BETTER PROTECTION! THE POLICE ARE NOT ON EVERY SCENE AS FAST AS WE NEED THEM!!! WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE IN NYS ALONE WHERE AS SOMEONE WAS THERE AND HELPED BECAUSE THE PERMIT HE/SHE HAS? I WANT AN ANSWER A REAL ANSWER!

    • Diane Snyder

      you can’t tell me Trump has any use for this money power grabbing liar Trump please get him out!

      • Tom

        Its not Trump that put him there, if you want him out, the voters have all the power, and if you don’t have enough voters to vote him out, then your only choice is to move to a conservative state, and if your not conservative, then your screwed.

        • Diane Snyder

          Sure, you are totally right. I know Trump does not like him. I have lived in NY since way before playboy came Along. I have been all over NYC and to the stunning Trump towers. I
          Hope we can get him out. I know the city is lefted. Full of imigrants, unaccounted non USA citizens and NY is second to California cost of living to support those who live in the city collecting of of us. Coumo is a player a controller full of himself and manipulation. Step out of the city and you will find the rest of NY doesn’t like him either All of upstate NY is for hunting freedom life the constitution Christianity family vales and morals. Coumo has to gain control over the rest of what is outside the city by manipulation over taxation and control over anything to take away American rights. Certainly I have issue with little girls and boys having to share the bathroom, locker room and shower. This is not why I send my child to school. I’m smart enough to home school and can quit my pharmacy job if it means protecting my family from trash. Tom good luck to us all! Merry Christmas!

          • Tom

            Thanks for your reply, Merry Christmas to you and yours, I’m sure you like NY, since you’ve lived there apparently for some time, but I would have to move, because I enjoy the freedom that Texas life , and liberty in owning a concealed handgun permit, so that I can defend myself and my family, I’m 79 years old and would have a problem defending myself against a younger attacker, and if I were to be knocked down, I might not ever get up again, but I’m glad your happy there, and take care of yourself and family.

    • George Cullen

      Wasn’t it the police chief of Detroit, about a year ago, that went public with an announcement, suggesting that anyone living in Detroit, legally allowed to, was encouraged to have or buy a firearm for home and personal protection. He stated his police dept. was significantly under budgeted (everyone says that!), under staffed, and that the violent crime rate in Detroit is so high, that his officers are having a difficult time responding to an unprecedented crime rate with its calls, and therefore police officers may not consistently be able to respond even to violent crimes in progress.
      He urged people to have legally acquired guns, be properly trained, and be able to protect themselves from violent criminals.

      Needles to say, the poor guy was crucified by the MSM, every liberal, Democrat/Socialist talking head that could be found, bought or made up.
      Including the usual ever-fake-angry-actors that are Black “reverends” but never in church.
      They’re too busy acting angry, and raking in million$ from their low information sheeple followers, also angry because they’re told ti be angry, to lead a real church.
      But, those guys manage to always find their way in front of any TV camera they can jump into the view of.
      But, I gotta tip my hat to that chief.
      I’m sure there was a calculated amount of political propaganda factored into his public statement, at least he was willing to get out there and state factually how bad the crime element really is in Detroit. (With all its Democrat/Socialist, gun-hating, gun-grabbing leadership. Who all have their own CCW permits, gold badges, and heavily armed personal bodyguards. But flip out thinking of commoners protecting their lives and loved ones.)

  • marcus J

    The Nazi Gun Control Act of 1936 is the blueprint of every Fascist Leftist Dictator in modern history , Andrew Cuomo for some time now is looking much like Heinrich Himmler

    • pappy450

      He has ALWAYS looked like Himmler (as well as his daddy before him, when HE “ran” N.Y.)

    • George Cullen

      TRUE. Same in many, many Democrat/Socialist states.
      Lived in California many years.
      Left a few years ago, finally.
      It has gotten so much worse, even in a few years. Its a much faster rate for the race to Communism in California. Their state leaders are KRAZY.

  • Kevin Harrison

    i just saw how cook county has AND I QUOTE HERE REQUESTED HELP FROM UN TROOPS TO TAKE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS FIREARMS AWAY FROM THEM

    • Jimbo Velasquez

      I saw it too, they wll make easy targets, with those pretty blue helmets.

      • Kevin Harrison

        YUP

    • disqus_rEWjgfyzIp

      The UN has no authority on US soil and should be treated as an invasion from any other country. Our military has no authority on US soil either and was set that they could not in any shape form or fashion conduct any operations other then training on US soil. Only military force able to operate on US soil is the National Guard and army reserves as they are controlled by the state and not Federal. Once federalized they can not operate on US soil either. That was set up by our forefathers. So if the UN stops by it becomes open season of an invading force.

      • Kevin Harrison

        YUP

    • George Cullen

      WHAT DA HE- -?!?!?!?!?!
      That is insane!
      Only in an Ohbombus regime could/would a POTUS allow UN troops on US soil to confiscate firearms. Or even take a wizz.
      On the governor’s part, that would be an act of sedition/treason.
      He doesn’t have the authority to deploy UN, or any military organization aside from those described in their State Constitution, and Military Code.

  • fbair1

    Fuk New York and the horse they rode into town on…..

  • Jimbo Velasquez

    NY deserves what they vote for.

    • pappy450

      ALL N.Y. ers didn’t vote for that CORRUPT DEMOCOMMIE communist creep. “WE” NORTHERN N.Y. ers are always “outvoted” by the “city”, illegals that were allowed and encouraged to vote, incarcerated prisoners, and “hacked” soros company “voting machines”. (All of cuomos scum and criminal; “voting block”.)

      • Jimbo Velasquez

        I feel for ya’ll that didn’t vote for him, but ya’ll need to inform the others how much “Rights” their losing.

        • pappy450

          Most of the “city people” don’t really care, because they are all under the “false sense” of security that there are always police around there to “protect” them. Up here in NORTHERN N.Y., we don’t have that same “security”. When cops are MANY minutes or usually HOURS away, MY .45 ACP (or my 12 gauge) travels a LOT faster. Most of the time “up here” the cops show up to “take statements”, help fill the body bags, or load the victims into an ambulance.

          • Jimbo Velasquez

            Keep your powder dry Pappy.

          • pappy450

            It is INDEED! Where I LIVE, the people around me have the same attitude. (and are ARMED to the TEETH also) That is why CORRUPT CRIMINAL “politicians” like cuomo want to take OUR GUNS, (to protect their CRIMINAL “friends” so if they decide to “break in” or kick in your door to rob you (or worse) they won’t get “hurt” from flying LEAD PILLS)

      • cyberscan

        Seceed!

    • George Cullen

      Exactly what I was thinking. It applies everywhere.
      Its a shame for states where large areas are populated by logical, rational, conservatively pricipled people, in general. However, the state capital is in a region massively over-run by Democrat/Socialists, illegals, and their various support personnel.
      In those places, the few outnumber and outpower the majority.
      And, without TERM LIMITS, places like Washington State and Colorado, for example, will be unfriendly to conservatives throughout the entire state.

  • Johnny Nightrider

    I thought California gun laws we’re tough but New York gun laws are worse and I have no intention of visiting New York City anytime soon.These laws only hurt law abiding gun owners as the criminals could care less.

  • Alan404

    I grew up and lived for a number of yeats in NYC. That said, I departed that vale of tears in 1967, never to return. Looking at the quality of elected things, respecting that which seems ongoing, exactly who is to blame for what? By the way, when last I looked, even in New York, legislators, mayors and the governor are elected officials, not creatures brought to or inflicted upon the populace by the stork or some other magical creatures.

  • keith andrew bounds

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

  • johnmcv

    I’m sure po lice,when they do the Bad Thing, are on the disarmj list,also? If not,why not?

  • Sarge

    Just another way for liberal, progressive, socialistic democrats to make america another third world country.and take total control of the people.

  • paul rey

    wont stop a 12 gauge slug eather

  • Lilian Hubert

    The liberal anti gun jacka**es are one of the reasons I didn’t go back to N.Y. when I retired from the Navy. I found my piece of paradise in North Idaho.

  • caleb moore

    The liberal anti gun jacka**es are one of the reasons I didn’t go back to N.Y. when I retired from the Navy. I found my piece of paradise in North Idaho.

  • mr.nice

    I agree. Even though I have many RCBS dies and a press, I have bought a few LEE die sets and found them to be comparable to the “high priced” dies, and I LOVE the “factory crimp” that they include with the set. I could never get the right amount of crimp with the “roll” crimp. (even though I trimmed the shells and “miked” them to EXACTLY the same size

  • Marco Ruysch

    Snow much up there?

  • Raphael

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

  • Jrme

    Like I always said, (as well as MANY of my Hunter friends,) They MAY get US, BUT there will be many that “go” with us.12 gauge MAGNUM 00 Buckshot at close range will do a number and a “vest” doesn’t cover the head. (because THAT is where I aim.)

  • pehta

    Snow much up there?

  • isaiah

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

  • Blakbonus

    mine works the same way has two different holders one for large primers and one small that mounts on single stage press when press shell into neck sizer you press primer dispenser over it put primer in holder then you pull shell out of siser all the way down and install primer at end of stroke

  • cyberscan

    Maybe one day they will do the same for traffic offenses. If they can infringe for one reason, as we can see, that can be expanded. First it was felons and “mentally defective people.” Now, it is those convicted of certain misdemeanors, soon, it will be for any other reason. When one INFRINGEMENT on the right to keep and bear arms is tolerated and allowed, more and more infringement will come.