Trump Can Free 2nd Amendment

The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has been chipping away at the Second Amendment for years, but when he takes office, President Donald Trump can limit the ramifications of their decisions–actually reversing them in some instances–by appointing the pro-Second Amendment, pro-Constitution justice he pledged to appoint while running for office.

The Ninth Circuit ruled on December 14 that it is constitutional for a state to require residents who pass a background check to then wait ten days before being allowed to take possession of the gun they wish to purchase. The court suggested this ten-day waiting period provides a “cooling-off period,” a theory that is moot in light of the fact that the ten-day wait applies to California residents who already own guns, too. That is, Californians who already own guns and are simply seeking a new one have to wait ten days as if it were the first gun they ever purchased.

On June 9, the Ninth Circuit had taken an even more egregious swipe at the Second Amendment by ruling that Americans have no right to carry a concealed gun outside the home for self-defense. Judge Williams Fletcher wrote, “We hold that the Second Amendment does not preserve or protect a right of a member of the general public to carry concealed firearms in public.” This ruling not only undercut concealed carry as a right, but also upheld California’s “good cause” requirement, which was challenged in Peruta v. San Diego County. It means Californians cannot simply carry a gun because they have a God-given right to keep and bear arms. Rather, they are allowed to carry only if they show their state government “good cause” for so doing and the state government approves.

Notably, the Ninth Circuit’s decision in favor of the “good cause” requirement came as a result of a reversal, wherein the court reheard Peruta after originally ruling against the “good cause” requirement. Even more notable is the fact that the Ninth’s original ruling against “good cause” explained the court’s position that upholding the requirement would demonstrate failure to truly grasp the Second Amendment.

 

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source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/03/president-trump-can-free-2nd-amendment-ninth-circuits-grip/

  • I thank God every day that mad Hillary lost the election. I also strongly believe that sites like these helped a great deal in getting Trump elected.

  • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

    The best “waiting period” requirement would be for ALL gun owner, prospective or current, to take the MMPI personality disorder screening test, and PASS it before any guns are awarded to “Special rights” petitioners.

    The MMPI would cost in the $1,000 range, paid by the “special rights ” petitioner, obviously. This would assure, at least mentally unfit people, do not possess firearms , in accordance with long established statute.

    Do any Constitutionalists want to argue against this very simple requirement for ALL ?

    • robmanwiller

      I’ll just argue about the cost. It shouldn’t take that amount. Total scam.

      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        See directly above. Have you been to an M.D. to check anything lately?

        How much is the priced value of a cough & a poke here or there for you?

        REALITY dude. TEA Party lives in an alternate Universe. I do know that much.

        • robmanwiller

          Stop yelling at everybody and name-calling. You lose major credibility when you do, but it looks like you don’t really care about that, do you? The Tea Party was instrumental so far in keeping any power the GOP has (which the GOP squandered anyway, a given, no doubt) and were also one of the major reasons Trump was victorious. So, shut your pie hole about the Tea Party. I know they don’t have all the conspiracy notes and info, but they are all good people with real worries about their republic, soon to be lost, most likely. But your rants aren’t getting you anywhere and you aren’t making any friends, not that YOU care, given your demeanor and tact, which you have none. i.e.- Everybody’s a nut but YOU, huh? You’re ‘sounding’ more like a ‘rubber room candidate’ each time you reply to anybody. Sheeeeesh!

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Gee whiz Robber-man, I sure don’t make political commentary to be a Facebook star, with LOTS of TEA Party GOONS for friends and UP you ass VOTES….Got it yet , PAL?

            Maybe you can look at any of my near 26,000 disqus comments to see exactly what I think about TEA Party and all of the political damage you’ve done to this country. I don’t PREACH to the choir, and as a result I have not one upvote in 25,700 comments.

            That’s because I antagonize the Hell out of you hypocritical TEA party buzzards. OK Robber-man?

            IF you want to discuss BIZ & economics. foreign policy, environmental regulation , political or BIZ corruption along with citizenry patriotic expectations, then I’m your guy to interlocute, ok REB fool?

            Definition of interlocution

            1 : interchange of speech : conversation
            2 : an interruptive utterance : interruption, interpolation, parenthesis
            3 a -obsolete : responsive reading or recital b – obsolete : a speech in reply : response
            c : mode of intercommunication
            4 a [Late Latin interlocution-, interlocutio, from Latin]
            : the making of an interlocutory legal order or decree; also : the order or decree
            b Roman law : a constitution of the emperor in the form of an informal expression of the imperial wish

            Definition of militia
            1 a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
            b : a body of citizens organized for military service
            2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

            https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/militia

    • Steven Daniel

      I bet your a democrat and afraid of guns. So can you pass the MMPI personality disorder screening test. No because your a democrat which we all know is a a form of mental illness

      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        Great use of projection and false assumptions pal. Are you a FAKE News Russian troll, perhaps?

        I passed the MMPI to get a Board of Pharmacy license in 1979. Then I took it again for another requirement in 2006. I passed it both times pal. I have NO need for a gun. WHY would YOU need a gun?

        I bet you could be one of those millions of current gun owners that will not be able to pass mental disorder testing.

        Good luck dealing with the 21st century on the 21st century’s terms buddy. We don’t live in the 1800’s anymore, do we?

        • bob hicky

          but we do live in a time where there are far more criminal & gangs. what chance would you have if confrunted by a gang.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Jimmy Carter once famously said: you CAN vote with your feet.

            I’ve been every major city in America & at 62 yr old, there’s not ONE time , I ever felt any need for a firearm for any reason…

            How about you?

            Are you very well traveled, or maybe a bumpkin Rural type that’s afraid of the unknown?

          • bob hicky

            i’m 62 also, i travaled a good bit. i on a couple of ocations needed my toy to keep me from being harmed, one of those times was on a date. you see you do need a toy to stay well. all you have to do is wave your toy & all trouble goes away.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            My experiences, VAST, tell me differently pal.

            Nice to agree to disagree, as always with the RIGHT side HARD boiled eggs crowd…..

          • CCblogging

            He is a ghetto gang banger.

        • Steven Daniel

          That’s great you passed it twice but it has been 10 years and things do change anyone that voted twice for Obama sure shows signs of mental illness. Since you are afraid of firearms good luck when that drug addict comes in to you store looking for drugs you will cower in the corner as they blow you away.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            I’m 62 yr old and have been in every major city in America pal. Have you? Not once in my 62 years have I felt any need to be “armed, by gun” to handle some problem situation.

            So your NRA B.S. about Cops not being around and “BAD people” out to get you fear mongers is a BIG LIE pal.

            The BIGGEST NRA lie that there is. I am the contrarian to everything NRA stands for pal.

            Try more myths and falsehoods on me buddy. DO IT fool.

      • coleche

        Just block the troll, you won’t see anymore of his dribble.

        • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

          PROBLEMS Solved, TEA Party style. COWARD Asshole ! ! !

          Stick your head in the Grand Canyon pools of stupidity and never come out, ostrich & moron ! ! ! !

          • CCblogging

            Moron

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis = = = =>>>>> coleche • many hours ago ***********************

            PROBLEMS Solved, TEA Party style. COWARD Asshole ! ! !

            Stick your head in the Grand Canyon pools of stupidity for redemption , you DUMB ASSHOLE ! ! ! !

          • CCblogging

            Hey big man, you so adamant about people not having guns, come and take mine. What? Oh, you don’t have the guts.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            I REALLY don’t care if you have firearms pal, as long as you’re emotionally competent and SANE.
            CAN YOU GUARANTEE those conditions, required by LAW?

            I doubt that highly.

            Convince me Troglodyte TEA Party WRECK ! ! ! !

      • CCblogging

        He’s a dim bed wetter and just like President Jihad, he wants your last line of defense seized from you.

    • bob hicky

      but that opens the door to not allow any guns in a house hold if just 1 member of the family is not qulifide.

      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        That really isn’t MY problem, right?

        Kick the mental defective to the CURB, you DUMB rube! ! !

        That is, if you need a firearm for NO known or valid reasons…

        Why are you people so deplorably IGNORANT , PAL?

        • bob hicky

          this dumb rube dosent like golf, horse riding or most of the things city folks like. i enjoy hunting & being in the out doors away from people. your kind wouldn’t have lasted long in my world. we would have left you out there & on your own. my circle of friends wouldnt get along with you. they would make fun of you & maybe showed you why you need a gun or give you a terrable beating for being such a city boy or (dumb a$$).

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            1) Bob, I’m 6′ 4″ tall & 245 lb. Do you really want to go to the fight CARD thing?

            Idiot….

            2) Tell me Bozo the KLOWN bobo & RUBE , why is hunting animal about 10 times more restricted than the simple act of purchasing a DEADLY weapon PAL?

            Why are animals more important then the humans who die routinely in mass shootings about weekly or at least multiple times each month in America?

            Are you more concerned about the deer & elephants & Lions & tigers here, than humans that are gunned down senselessly PAL?

            Why are you psychotic , OLD MAN?

    • GR Arnold

      You’re a damn idiot. You don’t even belong in the USA because you obviously don’t cherish the freedoms you have that have been paid for in blood by US veterans since the French & Indian War. Folks like you will use every loophole possible to label someone as mentally unfit, regardless of whether they actually are or not. If you don’t like our nation and our rights please pack your communist ass up and go elsewhere.

      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        Seriously OLD MAN? Were you speaking at ME FOOL?

        Idiot, me? What happened in Ft. Lauderdale yesterday BUMPKIN Fool?

        Explain how a PTSD Vet still has a weapon to go “beserk” in an airport for me, could you do that with any credulity?

        Are you FOR mass murder, or against it RUBE?

        Get a Goddamn JOB fool….

        • GR Arnold

          What happened in Ft. Lauderdale was perpetrated by somebody of YOUR mindset. Yes … you are an absolute idiot.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            I was never in the Military, but YOU were, I’m guessing.

            WHAT THE FUK are you talking about , you damn old Alzheimer’s Trolling DINOSAUR?

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Hey OLD MAN, is PTSD ever a problem in any young persons who go into Military service?

            IDIOT ! !

        • bob hicky

          this is another so called rube here. we use commen sence libtards dont. (thats right i cant spell anymore, but i get my message accrost)

    • merryinfidel

      Yes. First it will be the MMPI. Then a letter from a Psychologist stating you are mentally fit. Then a credit check to insure you are financially able to maintain the firearm in a safe condition. Then an inspection of your home to insure you are storing it “properly”. Then whatever other restrictions the government wants to impose to keep you from EVER OWING A FIREARM!!! you’re an idiot…

      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        Idiot, me? What happened in Ft. Lauderdale yesterday BUMPKIN Fool?

        Explain how a PTSD Vet still has a weapon to go “beserk” in an airport for me, could you do that with any credulity?

        Are you FOR mass murder, or against it RUBE?

        Get a Goddamn JOB fool….

        • merryinfidel

          I’m retired miitary and carry a concealed weapon EVERYWHERE I GO. If just one passenger in the area had been carrying a weapon, you would have a dead terrorist and far fewer people killed and injured. The police cannot be everywhere, but armed law abiding citizens can. When seconds count, the cops are just MINUTES away. As I said, you’re an idiot.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            I don’t CARE about you or anything that you think is “RIGHT” Fool.

            THE Law (2nd AM and everything that followed from it) says we NEED A LOT MORE regulation of firearms in America. WHAT’s your Goddamn problem with that?

            You really didn’t didn’t answer that PTSD Veteran question very well , did you?

            How CAN a guy sent for psychiatric evaluation, BY THE GODDAMN FBI, be cleared for carrying a firearm FOOL?

            ANSWER THAT simple question … ! ! !

            You’re full of NRA b.s. and everything else that’s BAD for America in the 21st century, old DEKE ! ! ! !

          • merryinfidel

            What if he had taken a car and driven into a crowd of people, (have we seen that somewhere before?) would you want to ban cars? There are more people killed each year by bludgeoning than by firearms, yet I don’t hear your stupid liberal ass screaming to ban baseball bats, golf clubs or hammers! You idiot liberals will never understand that it’s not the tool, but the person wielding the tool, that’s the problem. That man had mental issues and never should have been allowed to carry a weapon on the plane, but don’t blame the gun, blame the FBI for dropping the ball. If you don’t like firearms then don’t buy one. If you don’t like Chick Filet then don’t eat there. If you don’t want insurance then don’t buy it, but quit trying to pass laws that prevent law abiding citizens from engaging in activities simply because you don’t agree with them. By the way, the 2nd amendment does NOT say we need more regulation of firearms. It’s mostly stupid, mentally challenged democrats who say that. Go get your pacifier and your comfort teddy bear and crawl into your little safe space and have a nice day, cupcake.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            You are spewing NRA Garbage OLD MAN… Firearms are the ONLY implement designed to kill living things, AIN’t that right?

            Now proceed with NRA false equivalency with automobiles, or knives or baseball bats or anything else you might want to expound about, foolishly….

            You DO know that the inherent risks involved with driving a TON or so object around on streets filled with lots of OTHER people driving approximate ton objects, RIGHT ?

            Rational common sense defeats ALL NRA B.S. argument FOR firearms use. Are you a hunter OLD MAN?

            GFY. Hunt in the very RESTRICTIVE World of game hunting in America.

            Unfortunately, HUMAN hunting restrictions are NOT enforced in ANY way, shape or form, RIGHT BOOB?

          • merryinfidel

            You’re showing your ignorance, cupcake. Spears, knives, bows and arrows, swords, slingshots and even boomerangs were all designed to hunt and kill living things. Firearms are relatively new to the list of tools used by humans. You really should get your facts straight before trying to defend a point, especially one that is virtually indefensible. I realize that’s a tall order for you liberal dims since facts tend to trip you up so easily, but it is something you might want to consider. Be prepared to be shocked, however, when you discover that all of that left wing, liberal ideology you’ve been supporting is mostly nonsense. Anti-gun laws only restrict law abiding people from being in a position to protect themselves and others, as criminals don’t give a damn about your laws. If you ever find yourself in a potential mass casualty situation, you better pray that someone like me is there to protect your sorry butt until the cops get there.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            I need to prepare to be shocked? By taser , or what Clueless Clem CLODhooper?

            How many boomerang deaths have been reported in the USA in the past decade pal?

            I’m just curious how much stupidity you can throw at me, RIGHT FOOL?

          • merryinfidel

            Cars, clubs and doctors kill way more people each year than guns. Why aren’t you screaming about them?

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            The stated intent & purpose of firearms are to shoot ammunition and that is going to do WHAT to most living things PAL?

            That event can KILL.

            Automobiles are designed in ways to prevent the inevitable problems of ton or two objects hurtling on highways within about 25 feet of each other, in all directions , you goon.

            Inherent risk of motor vehicles is crashes. That’s why there is an insurance industry right. ?

            Why aren’t gun owners required to carry , say $1 million of liability insurance for any misuse of any of your firearms. Perhaps that would make some boneheads think twice about needs for a gun.

            Congress could remove the limited liability from gun manufacturers and then it would be even harder to get guns than what I recommend. I would bet the gun manufacturers would require the MMPI test be passed. Thanks for proving my point, when gun manufacturers will side with my point of view.

            You’re a classic IQ of 79 TEA Party DOO fusser about ANYTHING & everything.. & all American DOPE….

          • merryinfidel

            You talked yourself right into that one, didn’t you cupcake. As soon as someone deliberately drives a vehicle through a crowd of people, that vehicle becomes a murder weapon and no different than a gun. More people die in automobile related incidents than gun related incidents every year but aren’t required to carry anywhere near 1 million dollars in insurance. Stupid comment on your part. When you compare the number of guns to the number cars in this country and bounce them against the number of deaths related to each, guns are a small percentage. If you really believe gun manufacturers would buy into your ridiculous suggestion of an MMPI test, you’re delusional, and that brings into question YOUR IQ. You are a classic, liberal fool who is drunk on the democrat kool aid, albeit that kool aid has a bitter flavor of late. You hoplophobes should leave the 2nd amendment alone as it is an exercise in futility, but I guess stupidity knows no bounds…

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Motor vehicles serve a very useful purpose in society. Transportation.

            If people drive cars down the sidewalk, we have laws about that. That’s not the intended place for a motor vehicle.

            What is the intended outcome of discharging a firearm pal and why do you need one?

            We live in the 21st century now, not the 19th, I would like to inform you buddy.

          • merryinfidel

            Did the laws stop the crazed drivers in Houston, Minneapolis, Stillwater, Lancaster or Los Angeles from driving into crowds and killing scores of people? You liberal idiots think passing more laws is going to stop criminals from committing crimes. All laws do is restrict law abiding citizens and the crooks just ignore them. Why don’t you go talk to some of your criminal friends and explain to them that it’s the 21st century and they don’t need guns? See how far that gets you. The most effective way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Chicago, Philadelphia and Detroit have the strictest gun laws in the country and all 3 just happen to have the highest incidence of gun violence. Coincidence? No. It Isn’t. Police officers can’t be everywhere at once and I have a right, and a duty, to protect myself and my family. The 2nd amendment isn’t just about self defense. It’s about protecting our country from a tyrannical government, made up of people like you, who want to trample our rights and freedoms into the dirt. If you don’t like guns, then don’t buy one, but keep your damn liberal hands off of mine!

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            1) I have NO idea of what you’re talking about for Minneapolis and street killings by car. I live here pal and nothing like that happened as I can recall. Would you be thinking of Columbus Ohio, where disgruntled knife dude (Arab immigrant) knifed some people or something. You’re OLD and confused from the start, so not much of what you say would be dependable for any truthful accuracy.

            2) What happened in Houston & still water lately pal? Why didn’t someone with a GUN shoot the drivers of any of those vehicles? They CAN’t because they don’ t know What the Hell is wrong with any particular driver, DO THEY MORON?

            3) The “Good guys with guns”is a modern fallacy that has very few real events of people stopping murderous criminals.

            Send me anything you can find, that’s REAL.

            4) The most gun deaths occur in the areas of the highest population density in America. It has NOTHING to do with gun laws or anything else. Where more people live close together, the ready availability of guns lets anyone who has a grudge act on it.

            That NOT “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of [this 21st century] free state” at all. SO start over OLD moron . . . .

            5) Where does the 2nd AM state, “guns should be available to anyone for overthrow of tyrannical government”?

            It doesn’t so, that’s yet another fallacy that was adopted from Federalist Papers, opinions of the day. Federalist Papers have NO weight in law derived from the 27 words of the 2nd AM. Justices today should be smart enough to read 27 simple words and determine the intent of those words, without any Garbage ideas from the late 1700’s. GOT it now?

            Law is not derived from opinions and hearsay, which is ALL of what you post.

            That’s GARBAGE. All of it pal.

          • merryinfidel

            November 25, 2014. Read it. The Federalist papers sets the tone by giving one the mindset of the authors of the constitution, including the 2nd amendment, but since it doesn’t support your warped view of the world, you reject it. Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia are NOT cities with the highest populations in the country but they DO have the highest rates of gun violence and the strictest gun laws. FACT! There are NUMEROUS cities with higher populations that have far fewer gun related deaths due largely to the fact that their citizens are allowed to own firearms. An armed society IS a polite society. The constitution is NOT a “living” document subject to whatever whims the current crop of idiotic, liberal Supreme Court justices decide. They are required to study constitutional law to understand the INTENT of the FOUNDING FATHERS, not pull a decision out of their ass that supports every leftist agenda that comes before them. But! That’s all about to change, as President Trump is going to institute national concealed carry laws to protect our right to keep and bear arms (I know that gets your liberal panties in a wad!) and load the Supreme Court with constitutional conservatives who will put this country back on track and make it GREAT AGAIN!!!

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            You never answered any of your lies from the last spew, but since this one is worse for lies I have to address these statements of utter ignorance.

            1) There are 27 of very simple English words in the 2nd Amendment. What mindset are you talking about that needs to be “interpreted”? The PTSD , discharged from teh Military for incompetence, Guy from Alaska to Fort Lauderdale was CRAZY as any lunatic can be. They took his gun away when he was evaluated for mental illness. Then they gave the gun back to him. What about the STATUTE that says mentally ill are PROHIBITED from bearing arms, you Jack DAW Squawker?

            You’re an idiot. If there was anything like well regulated militia, as the 2nd Am expressly states, then this CRAP would not be possible. You’re WRONG in everything that you spew pal.

            2) I said POPULATION Density OLD MAN. That’s population per sq mile. Do the MATH , you dumb old coot. The cities you brought up ARE the most population dense in the country. FOOL ! ! !

            Get a new life, in the afterworld. ASAP, DUMB old Buzzard….

            3) The Constitution is for ALL time, as long as this country exists. SO ANY SCOTUS decision is subject to change for the very reasons we are discussing why the past 120 years of SCOTUS decisions about guns and “right to bear arms” have been wrong since the late 1890’s.

            ALL of that CRAP can be reversed. WE have NO Ten Commandments of US Constitution that are written in stone and can never be changed, DIM TWIT fool. READ those 27 words of the 2nd Amendment again and tell me what they mean….

          • merryinfidel

            You really are delusional, aren’t you? It’s scary to think that someone of your mindset might actually vote…

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            I gave you ten questions to answer and you couldn’t answer one of them.

            What does that say about your ability to converse about anything, eh Groucho Marx?

          • bob hicky

            answer for you is all you allow, you dont care about the law that has kept us free for so long. so for people like you there is no reason to argu that point, you already have your mind made up. funny thing is, you dont matter eather to anyone that is normal.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Militia in America since 1780, when the Constitution was adopted , has never been called into service by POTUS.

            Explain exactly, how 2nd AM has kept “This country free” from “Evil invaders” or corruption in government for me , OK Benji-Honju Hamilton?

        • bob hicky

          i’m ready to retire, dont need a job. as for that guy in fl., he is out of his mind. 1 person there with a toy, he would have been stoped short. now there is a good example why you need a toy.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Dude, you are so out of touch with reality, I do think you need that MMPI personality disorder test ASAP.

            Could you check with your friendly psychologist in your area , PDQ?

            You are the exact reason why I think ALL firearms owners need mental stability & competence assessment.

            Thanks for proving my point, REALLY proving it well, OLD BIRD.

      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        Hurry UP RUBE ! ! ! What’s your damn problem NOW?

    • Roger

      Gun laws are stupid because anyone can get a gun anytime they want one and they can pass all the laws they want and it won’t make a bit of difference!

      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        I’m guessing that YOU would NOT pass the MMPI pal, Roger the Dodger.

        NO GUN FOR YOU ! ! ! !

        • bob hicky

          too late to say none for me, i already have toys & well defend myself & friends when needed.

    • Myke Britt

      IF such a test had been required of HUSSEIN SOETERO in 2004 AMERICA would not be so screwed up and 20 trillion dollars in debt!

      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        Mikey, the LOSER TEA Party Troglodyte.

        Obama had just $2.5 trillion of economic damage to repair, which Congress voted FOR funds to improve and then the TWO needless Wars that cost about $5 trillion over just the last 8 years, that Obama had NO choice in continuing, RIGHT?

        CONGRESS votes for funding, so TELL them your infantile PROBLEMS , you DIP Shiite Garbage slime drinking Trump LOSER ! ! ! !

    • Netencho

      AMERICA!! I will just say…. WHAT IS THE MEDIA DOING NOW…. CORRUPTED, LIARS, PAY FOR PLAY…. what assurance do you have….. this test IS OR WILL NOT BE CORRUPTED?? AND FAIL YOUR ASSES ON PURPOSE.
      Show me….where all this test being given in schools…. saying they are better and superior to the old truth……way of doing things. History teaching, math teaching, science teaching, etc. the old way book learning, instead of computer learning, and playing games. All this test have done is put our children’s education to become SNOWFLAKES, AND CRY BABIES, AND DROP, from being the best in this world to being the LAST, and idiots in this world.
      Don’t believe me…. try this… ask any kid out there going to school, who the president was two years ago, what is Our Constitution, Our Bill of Rights.
      Get one of your own kids in the 8th grade to tell you the times tables, from 1 x 1 = to the 12 x 12?
      Get them to figure out a multiplication problem….. covering four numbers, five and six numbers to get correct answers?
      Ask them who Mr. Lincoln was, Mr. Washington, etc……. ask them about our past history?
      Here is my answers….. maybe one out of ten will give you SOME…some correct answers, but most won’t even know what the hell your taking about. That is where……and what the children are being taught with all this tests….. NOT A DAMN THING!! But the people are passing, graduating, and life keeps on going.
      I remember….. in our days… by the time we were in 5th grade, we knew our multiplication tables up to the 12 x 12, by memory…. or we went no higher in school, you would fail, and stayed in the fifth grade.
      We knew our history…. why the war at the Alamo, why the civil war…why the 2nd war was being fought, why my uncles were coming home on crouches, why life was as it was. We were taught our history in school, home, church, etc., etc. God was in everyone’s home…..life….. memory….day after day, nights too.
      MY POINT…….WITHOUT THE TRUE GOD, AND HIS SON, CHRIST JESUS, AMEN! AND OUR HISTORY, MATH, SCIENCE, AND BOOK LEARNING…. THIS COUNTRY AND PEOPLE ARE NOTHING!!
      IN 60 SOME YEARS WE HAVE GONE FROM THE BEST COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD…..TO THE WORST COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD!!
      THE KIDS HAVE GONE FROM SMART, BRAVE, RESPONSIBLE, GOOD HEARTED, PROUD, ENERGETIC PEOPLE…. TO A BUNCH OF LAZY, FOOD STAMP COLLECTORS, SNOWFLAKES, SPINELESS, DUMB, CRY BABIES, IRRESPONSIBLE, FAMILY HATERS, NON RESPONSIVE TO PARENTS…..AND MOST OF THE TIME HATERS OF PARENTS…. FACT!!!! God Bless
      No Offense meant…. because I know there are still some good kids out there… with all the capabilities, smart and all the good qualities, to them and their parents…. I say God Bless You All. But they are FAR, FAR, IN-BETWEEN https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cdee3c7285ab29a72a1dd01f1a677470ddfdfd04772eb61e45627b8e7104d898.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b5a4acae8cd9b30b3a43cc6f9ab50da51b7c6d4318451775fb2ac24d0df55a3f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b2eb33b12b94f1290b08d80162e2133e912714ed4b5f4492b752abd2e073f26.jpg !!
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      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        I didn’t see anything in your diatribe & SPEW that related to the 2nd Amendment topic here LOSER.

        What’s your DEAL?

        Do you have paranoid schizophrenic delusional political thoughts in your head that you just cannot control? YOU know, how they roll on over & over & over & over & over& over &over again & again & again & again, right DIP WAD?

        Get a goddamn job you fukking LUNATIC FOOL ! ! ! !

        • Netencho

          First of all…. I will guess you are a socialist, and a Hillary supporter…..which from seeing your other posts… gives you away, with all the foul Sewer Trash language. And with all that Sewer Trash that you put out….I will say…. your try to down grade people to get attention, As I see you seem to put your Sewer Trash language into every post. So I will not argue the point
          I will just say… my comment above is toward Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI), which would probably come to be as useful as all the tests they are giving in the schools, which teach nothing, but create a bunch of SNOWFLAKES, AND CRY BABIES.
          But I can understand, you being a socialist….. one needs to be able to read, before one can understand what one reads. You using that sewer trash language, guess does…. keeps you at the disadvantage. Seems your getting to the point of forgetting too, inserting the same word all over again.
          Sorry…. to have to burst your Bubble…. I don’t need a job…. do very well without working. God Bless

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          • bob hicky

            a black minister once told me that a man that uses such colorful language such as whatchulets lets people know how disadvantage he is in an argument.

          • Netencho

            My main point…. reason I said…I will not argue the point. I believe…. the idea is that one can catch more bees with honey…..than one can with shit….. shit only bring flies. God Bless

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          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis ===>> a while ago, not in geologic time => Netencho • 5 hours ago

            I didn’t see anything in your diatribe & SPEW that related to the 2nd Amendment topic here LOSER.

            What’s your DEAL?

        • bob hicky

          you must be having a good time on here, calling folks names. sounds like you need a job to get your mind on other things.

  • Dwight Sorrell

    Trump can’t back off his pledge to see that Hillary faces justice for her crimes. Otherwise, she will buy her way into becoming the mayor of NYC and help Cuomo destroy NYS. I’ve lived in this state for nearly 72 years and am embarrassed by what the Democrats have done to it. I say jail Hillary so she has no relevance in politics for the rest of her life.

    • Roger

      I don’t live in New York but I agree with you 100%

      Every American that cares about this country, needs to write their Congress persons every day and demand that crooked Hillary be arrested, prosecuted and punished for her crimes against America and the American people!
      Copy and paste the message below and email to both of your senators and representatives:
      I want to know why Hillary Clinton hasn’t been arrested for her crimes against the government and humanity. This woman has broken more laws than can be counted on both hands. If you think that Hillary what difference at this point does it make, that four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens died Clinton hasn’t broken the law and was a complete failure as Secretary of State you aren’t fit to be a member of Congress! I am an American citizen and I demand justice for all. Hillary Clinton is not above the law, she is a criminal and certainly not fit to be President of the greatest country in the world!
      Hillary (Benghazi) Clinton belongs in prison!
      The Equal Protection Clause is part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The clause, which took effect in 1868, provides that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction “the equal protection of the laws”.
      Anyone with a functioning brain should understand that this means all criminals shall be held accountable for their crimes as well! I also demand that Hillary Clinton return or replace the six billion dollars that went missing from the State Department when she was Secretary of State, that is taxpayer money and we want it!

      • CCblogging

        SOROS’ TROLL ALERT

        • Eleanor Cummings

          Every time one of us answers a troll and gets in a discussion with him or her, you are helping them to earn their paycheck from Soros or Clinton. I don’t know how much they earn, but the troll on this site has been doing rather well. You can tell them by the false ”information” they spout off, trying to divert everyone from the subject the main article was about, and by their foul, name calling language. Me, I ignore them. I’ll be darned if I’ll contribute to their paycheck.

      • CCblogging

        sorry Roger, wrong poster.

      • Judy Selich

        If $10,000 went missing from State, I would be concerned; If $1,000.00 went missing, it would cause me to believe that we might need “attack dogs” to guard the State Department coffers. There is an alternative: hold accountable those in government positions who seem to “acquire” great wealth without effort or accountability. Let’s start with the Clintons.

      • robmanwiller

        And who do you think gave the orders for the ‘stand down’ in Benghazi? The same person who should be in jail with Hildabeast – Barack Hussein Obama (actually Barry Soetoro), the biggest fake there ever was on this planet. He’s like a trapper rat right now since Hillary lost a rigged Soros election and is very dangerous. He knows if Trump is inaugurated he might just get an orange jumpsuit also, along with many other ‘gubmint’ officials that perpetrated and/or went along with and covered up the first 9-11. Why do suppose George Soros wants him to stay in Washington after the inauguration (if that actually happens without a major earth-changing weather or terrorist event)? They are up to something major sinister, trust me.

    • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

      There are three USA states that have over one $ trillion GDP.

      California is over $2 trillion. TX is next at about $1.6 trillion and New York is just below Texas for GDP.

      Why would you want to live in New York if you don’t like the politics there?

      Jimmy Carter famously said: YOU can vote with your feet. RIGHT OLD Geezer complainer TEA Party Geek?

      http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/gdp_by_state

      • CCblogging

        WHATCHU IS A SOROS’ TROLL

        • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

          If you’re going to RUSSIAN TROLL interject Fake news shit, then just make a STAND FOOL.

          What do you really want to say about my post, IDIOT Troglodyte Troll neo Fascism Global initiative supporter MORON?

          WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis = = == =>>>>> Dwight Sorrell • an hour ago

          There are three USA states that have over one $ trillion GDP.

          California is over $2 trillion. TX is next at about $1.6 trillion and New York is just below Texas for GDP.

          Why would you want to live in New York if you don’t like the politics there?

          Jimmy Carter famously said: YOU can vote with your feet. RIGHT OLD Geezer complainer TEA Party Geek?

          http://www.usgovernmentspendin

          • NighonLibertine

            After fighting anti-gun forces in Colorado for most of my life and after Colorado passed the 15 round magazine ban- I went to the capitol to help with the repeal of that law. I was only one of less than 30 or so people who showed up; ten years ago there would have been so many people showing up that you could not get in the door unless you went three or four hours early.
            I now reside in Idaho.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Explain to me, what any of your CRAP-ola has to do with your sanity. THEN you can certainly tell me why why Firearms are relevant for any private citizen in this 21st century, OK Dangler ‘PERV’ Boone?

            Why are you BUMBling SHITSzz so Goddamn STUPID PAL?

          • NighonLibertine

            When firearms came into existence- rulers who previously dominated their populations with relatively small numbers of highly trained heavily armed professional soldiers (armed with sword and shield) could no longer control their populations since relatively untrained populations could no longer be controlled by small government forces. The training to use firearms was/is much less than that required when powerful highly trained/ well nourished men ruled others by hand-manipulated force: thereby allowing ordinary large masses of people to overthrow governments of tyrants by force e.g. the American revolution. Afterward modern governments came into existence e.g. republics.
            In African democracies today one tribe gains majority rule by becoming predominant and then enslaves and slaughters the minority; the only people allowed arms are those police and military who are the members of the majority. Even as we speak there is a huge disparity of force- due to majoritarian rule- of those with political clout versus those without dominating those without it by armed force or the threat of force. The same theme has held true for all of human history; the fact that we are in “modern” times has not altered the equation in the least. Those who ignore history- are doomed to repeat it: these people are both ignorant and/or stupid “PAL”.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis = = = >>> Night on Liberaline • 2 hours ago

            Explain to me, what any of your CRAP-ola has to do with your sanity. You surely cannot tell me that you are competent mentally to posses a firearm, RIGHT?

            THEN you can certainly tell me why why Firearms are relevant for any private citizen in this 21st century, OK Dangler ‘PERV’ Boone?

            What dangers LURK right outside YOUR front door BOOB?

          • NighonLibertine

            It is insane to ignore predominant history: examples of people being disarmed and slaughtered; people who resemble sheep by giving up the tools of force become “sheeple”.
            The 20th century saw massive slaughter of the unarmed: by the forces of socialism e.g. Nazism- National Socialism- (Hitler) and by communism e.g. Stalin/Mao et al.. Ordinary people being armed instead of elites/oligarchs/autocrats is the only real solution- your brand of government approved armed agents ensures perpetual enslavement/genocide of all of humanity via force or the threat of force by majoritarian mob factions who control democratic governments. The republican principals of arbitrary restrictions of government power irrespective of purported majoritarian desires- which are predominantly formed by the power of media propounding lies and false news- is written into our constitution and reflected in the electoral college’s voting power.
            Per Founding Father Thomas Jefferson “”In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” The second amendment is/was a powerful denouncement of allowing government to have a monopoly of force as we had just overthrown our own government by force of- primarily- privately owned arms. The second amendment was written to ensure- in perpetuity- that we i.e. the U.S. populace: would retain the right to veto government’s inevitable consolidation of power in abrogation of it’s intended purpose.
            In fact Thomas Jefferson was so sure that Americans would have to fight their own government- as we just did when we overthrew our own government during the American Revolution that he said: “What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            You have NO clue of which you speak, paranoid delusional FAKE NEW Russian troll, net BOT.

            GET A NEW LINE OF WORK , asshole ! ! ! !

          • NighonLibertine

            The gulags/death camps of the Soviets/Mao Tse-tung of China, Pol Pot of Cambodia, genocide, slavery: all of these occur because of one simple truth. That governments having a monopoly of force is not merely wrong, but that gun/weapons control of the masses: is the absolute worst evil ever perpetrated on mankind, that the government that disarms you is here to help you and that those who advocate for it are nothing less than dupes at best- or enemies of mankind at worst.
            One of the issues that liberals and gun control advocates are most loath to discuss is how heavily and effectively totalitarians and mass murderers have relied upon gun registration and other firearms controls to round up “enemies of the state.” Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and Mussolini all seized upon gun laws to punish, incarcerate, and even exterminate their opponents, while permitting their own evil cliques to expand and strengthen the state and party monopolies on gun ownership.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            “Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and Mussolini all seized upon gun laws to punish, incarcerate, and even exterminate their opponents, while permitting their own evil cliques to expand and strengthen the state and their party monopolies of gun ownership.” . . . . .

            Explain what your historical rant about weaponry has to do with the 21st century in America for me.

            WE have problems of innocent people being shot by psychotic people who don’t know WTF they’re doing in reality and should NEVER have a firearm from DAY 1.THAT is our problem TODAY , Junior.

            Hitler , Stalin , Mussolini & Castro are all DEAD people. They ARE IRRELEVANT , you delusional psychotic FOOL ! ! !

          • NighonLibertine

            Private ownership of arms- and those who abuse such ownership- are less than a drop in the ocean compared to governments who ab(use) force of arms: after disarming entire populations. It is inevitable and recurring- per Lord Byron, ” Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely”. The decentralization of arms as the tools of power as embodied in the United States militia system ensures that that power is never absolute; the entire system of U.S. government is predicated on decentralizing/deconcentrating power: 1.) The jury system allows juries to judge both the facts of the case as well as the law itself RE: Jury nullification of law. Regardless of which entity passed the law- your peers reviewing the case when it goes to trial can nullify and free a defendant. Some commonly cited historical examples of jury nullification involve jurors refusing to convict persons accused of violating the Fugitive Slave Act by assisting runaway slaves or being fugitive slaves themselves, and refusal of American colonial juries to convict a defendant under English law. Juries have also refused to convict due to the perceived injustice of a law in general, or of the way the law is applied in particular cases.In most modern Western legal systems, however, judges often instruct juries to act only as “finders of facts”, whose role it is to determine the veracity of the evidence presented, the weight accorded to the evidence, to apply that evidence to the law as explained by the judge, and to reach a verdict; but not to question the law or decide what it says. Judges, lawyers i.e. the entire legal system has fought this peer reviewed jury power i.e. jury nullification wrongly assuming that it is only they who can/should judge the law: when the whole point was to ensure the power of law was eventually and ultimately reviewed by those most similar- or peers- to the person(s) being sanctioned by government. 2.) The “federal” government is not a “national” government: it was (supposed) to be a relatively loose alliance of sovereign states who were bound together to oppose foreign powers as one entity at the federal level- yet not to usurp the states agency over its own people. Per your own assertion “vote with your feet”.
            The amalgamation of power being concentrated by governments is far more dangerous than the dissolution of power embodied by the militia system. Psychotic people- or indeed those who become so- will never be vetted sufficiently to ensure that the misuse of arms is a non-issue: as the entity-i.e. government- doing the vetting is the embodiment of absolute power- thus being far more likely to be absolutely corrupted. Governments as embodied by Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and Castro- and their victims are indeed dead. These autocrats should not have had a firearm from DAY 1- but their reign of terror would most likely never have occurred if the right to self-defense/ arms was acknowledged by mankind as absolute. Humans are tool making beings- as opposed to other predators- that have the weapons of tooth and claw: the fallacy of gun control advocates is the assumption that any entity can sufficiently subsume that tool making capacity to the point that those who see a way to use them to gain advantage over other people for nefarious reasons can be stopped. These people may be psychotic, evil or criminally insane- yet it should not matter in the least insofar as the resolution is concerned: do not pass laws that require ordinary law-abiding citizens to be encouraged to give up arms as they are the primary demographic who is least likely to abuse them. Ordinary criminals- or their macro equivalents e.g. governments will not disarm irrespective of the law. Gun control advocates only exacerbate the problem by calling for those least likely to abuse arms to be disarmed- while simultaneously placing faith in the entity most likely to abuse them: i.e. government.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            10 U.S. Code § 311 – Militia: composition and classes

            (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
            (b) The classes of the militia are—
            (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
            (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
            (Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85–861, § 1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, § 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)

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            Definition of militia (Merriam-Webster version)
            1 : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
            b : a body of citizens organized for military service

            2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

            Where do you see “unorganized” as part of the M-W dictionary definition pal?

            No militia force has ever been called upon by POTUS to do anything. Ergo, what need is there for private citizenry having guns in this 21st century, as dictated by 2nd Amendment?.

            YOU won’t answer those simple questions for me WILL YA BIG Gun knob job?

          • NighonLibertine

            The unorganized militia (U.S. Code 10) is the militia referred to in the second amendment: the whole body of the people being armed is the “security” necessary to be a free state. The militia was called by the elected government body of Texas during the war of Texas independence. The militia was called during just after World War 2: Veterans Fought Government Corruption in 1946 Tennessee

            The story is familiar in many Hollywood movies. Corrupt, self-serving politicians take control of a local town and use fear and intimidation to maintain themselves in power. Enter the hero, often a one-man army.

            This well-known script can be traced back to a real incident in 1946 in McMinn County, Tennessee, where unscrupulous politicians tyrannized the local populace by controlling the ballot box, legal system, and law enforcement. Of course, outsiders like the governor took everything at face value, as if law-and-order still prevailed.

            World War II veterans were returning home, having fought to preserve democracy and American values overseas. Better yet, they knew how to fight. The “Battle of Athens,” based on a true story, was eventually made into a movie, An American Story, which aired on Hallmark Hall of Fame.

            What the Founding Fathers Meant by the “Militia”
            Tenche Coxe: “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788. Tench Coxe: “Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American… [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788. Tench Coxe: “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” in “Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution,” under the pseudonym “A Pennsylvanian” in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789. Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts: “Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” (spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789.) Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts: “What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.” Rep. of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress at 750 (August 17, 1789). Alexander Hamilton: “…that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms.” (Federalist Paper #29) Alexander Hamilton: “Little more can be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped.” (Id) {responding to the claim that the militia itself could threaten liberty}” There is something so far-fetched, and so extravagant in the idea of danger of liberty from the militia that one is at a loss whether to treat it with gravity or raillery (mockery). – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No.2 Patrick Henry: “The people have a right to keep and bear arms.” (Elliott, Debates at 185) Patrick Henry: “Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?, 3 Elliot Debates 168-169. Patrick Henry: “The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” 3 Elliot, Debates at 386. Thomas Jefferson: “And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms… The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”, letter to William S. Smith, 1787, in S. Padover (Ed.), Jefferson, On Democracy (1939), p. 20. Thomas Jefferson In his Commonplace Book, Jefferson quotes Cesare Beccaria from his seminal work, On Crimes and Punishment: “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms… disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” Thomas Jefferson: “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.” Encyclopedia of T. Jefferson, 318 (Foley, Ed., 1967). Thomas Jefferson: “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”, Proposal for a Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950) Richard Henry Lee: “To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” (LIGHT HORSE HARRY) LEE, writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic (1787-1788) Richard Henry Lee: “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves…and include all men capable of bearing arms.” (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788) President James Madison: “…to support the Constitution, which is the cement of the Union, as well in its limitations as in its authorities; to respect the rights and authorities reserved to the States and to the people as equally incorporated with and essential to the success of the general system;… to keep within the requisite limits a standing military force, always remembering that an armed and trained militia is the firmest bulwark of republics – that without standing armies their liberty can never be in danger, nor with large ones safe;…” – President James Madison, First Inaugural address, Saturday, March 4, 1809. James Madison: “A WELL REGULATED militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.” (1st Annals of Congress, at 434, June 8th 1789, emphasis added. James Madison: “As the greatest danger to liberty is from large standing armies, it is best to prevent them by an effectual provision for a good militia.” (notes of debates in the 1787 Federal Convention) George Mason: “I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people.” (Elliott, Debates, 425-426) Thomas Paine: “The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside… Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them…” I Writings of Thomas Paine at 56 (1894) William Rawle: “In the second article, it is declared, that a well regulated militia is necessary to a free state; a proposition from which few will dissent. Although in actual war, in the services of regular troops are confessedly more valuable; yet while peace prevails, and in the commencement of a war before a regular force can be raised, the militia form the palladium of the country. They are ready to repel invasion, to suppress insurrection, and preserve the good order and peace of government. That they should be well regulated, is judiciously added. A disorderly militia is disgraceful to itself, and dangerous not to the enemy, but to its own country. The duty of the state government is, to adopt such regulation as will tend to make good soldiers with the least interruptions of the ordinary and useful occupations of civil life. In this all the Union has a strong and visible interest.” – William Rawle, “A View of the Constitution of the United States of America” (1829) Joseph Story: “The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people.” – Joseph Story. Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. 3 vols. Boston, 1833. Joseph Story (Supreme Court Justice): “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic…” Sir George Tucker: “The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits…and [when] the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” – Sir George Tucker, Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court and U.S. District Court of Virginia in I Blackstone COMMENTARIES Sir George Tucker Ed., 1803, pg. 300 (App.) George Washington: “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” IMPORTANT NOTE: Back in the 18th century, a “regular” army meant an army that had standard military equipment. So a “well regulated” army was simply one that was “well equipped” and organized. It does not refer to a professional army. The 17th century folks used the term “standing army” or “regulars” to describe a professional army. Therefore, “a well regulated militia” only means a well equipped militia that was organized and maintained internal discipline. It does not imply the modern meaning of “regulated,” which means controlled or administered by some superior entity. Federal control over the militia comes from other parts of the Constitution, but not from the Second Amendment.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Most of that Stuff which you posted, was mainly OLD Thyme opinions of LONG Ago & far away notions about firearms. IT’s the 21st century today, mind you…

            Somehow, you failed to tell me why private citizens are now “unorganized militia”. See the militia prefatory statement in the first clause 2nd AM and the dictionary definition by M-W and I fail to see how unorganized firearms possession qualifies as “militia”anymore. That US Code was written at the beginning of the 20th century.

            We have very outdated Statues, taken form the 2nd Amendment authority, which amount to about nil or NADA, in our Congress now. Congress has to enforce the “NO felons or mentally ill persons in possession of firearms” , don’t they? WHY HAVEN’t they done that at all , PAL?

            We have very outdated Law , that was improperly interpreted by an 1890’s SCOTUS, influenced by the very powerful gun manufacturers at the end of the “WILD West days” .

            So, how can we just say “organized & well regulated militia” means nothing today, if WE believe in the 27 words of the 2nd AM. I know what I’ve told you and it’s very much a logical and reasonable approach.

            You’ve blustered up a bunch of 200 year old CRAP and copied the NRA propaganda for justifying private citizen firearms possession. Militia is fine with me as long as EVERY Goddamn CRAZY person with a gun in America today, is tested for mental competence.

            Do you see any logical , rational connections there OLD Salt?

          • NighonLibertine

            That which you describe as “OLD Thyme” were the people who wrote the constitution- they and their contemporaneous writings defines the militia. Per James Madison- also known as the father of the constitution- Quotes from the Founders During the Ratification Period of the Constitution:
            “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. .
            —James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
            Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
            You have stated, “in our Congress now. Congress has to enforce the “NO felons or mentally ill persons in possession of firearms” , don’t they? WHY HAVEN’t they done that at all , PAL?”
            —Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
            Firstly: the first ten amendments to the constitution are restrictions on government power and not an invitation for government to exceed it’s mandate by limiting and/or destroying it, per Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).
            Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man [a]gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
            You state “So, how can we just say “organized & well regulated militia” means nothing today, if WE believe in the 27 words of the 2nd AM.”
            The second amendment states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
            1.) In eighteenth century parlance when speaking about munitions or”regulating” when discussing armament meant either accuracy or efficiency e.g. regulating multibarrel rifles and/or artillery to fire accurately required stress relieving and/or heat treating/machining both barrels to “flex” under firing to the same point of aim.
            2.) The “people” referred to in the second amendment- are the same “people” referred to in the other amendments in the bill of rights.
            3.) The militia being defined as the people may be either “organized” or “unorganized” depending on their level of training consistent with their level of organization.
            Government is/has been the primary abuser of power both contemporaneously and historically: it is the entity most likely to abuse it’s power “Power tends to corrupt absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
            You state, “Militia is fine with me as long as EVERY Goddamn CRAZY person with a gun in America today, is tested for mental competence”. The constitution is not outdated- the bill of rights are a restriction of government power for a reason: government cannot be trusted with restricting free speech- under a so called “false news” rationale- ( First Amendment) any more than it can be trusted with restricting arms -under the pretense of psychological tests rationale- (Second Amendment).

          • Jerry

            Nighon, do not try to educate whatchu to why the Bill of rights was written. One of the problems people like him are confused is our schools only spend one week studying the Constitution. That is about three hours and 45 minutes of class time. They do not go into what our founding fathers reasons were for this at all. For a person to think the Constitution is not pertain to today as well as back then is just progressive thinking, just like Obama.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            I’m so glad you sent me a bunch of OLD garbage opinions of the late 18th century pal.

            Federalist Papers is NOT Law in any way, nor should it be used to interpret ANY of the simple 27 simple English words in the 2nd Amendment. Those which are yet the same 27 words from the time of which you would like to re-Gress back to, RIGHT?

            Law is determined by what the Amendment says and NOTHING else old Cobbler & slobbering FOOL. FED Papers are good for rolling a smoke an that’s about it. They should have ZERO impact in any SCOTUS decisions, yet they used ALL of that crap.

            WHY pal?

            Weren’t these SCOTUS Justices smart enough to know what 27 simple English words mean in two clauses?

            It’s Bull Shiites CRAP what GUN proponents put out, including & first & foremost teh NRA Propaganda machine. They wouldn’t know LAW if it struck them in the forehead as a high projectile bullet, RIGHT?
            This crap has gone on since the 1890’s. That HAS to change PDQ ! ! !

          • NighonLibertine

            The federalist papers are the embodiment of debates- in writing- that pertained to government issues, by political theorists- especially those who would later vote on them: they are germane in that “language drift” that occurs over time is used by linguists to determine both archaic and contemporary nuances to more accurately determine intent and/or meaning.
            All branches of government are/can/have been obtuse/confused by language drift/divergence; the body of law is based on age-old foundations such as the inalienable right of self defense. The law of tooth and claw that animals enjoy and the rights of the tools of self defense that tool-making beings such as humans should enjoy. We have no particular advantage versus animals in our physical being such as superior speed or goring weaponry projecting from our physical form- yet we do have our tool making capacity: which is why prohibiting ordinary humans from keeping and bearing our own “tools of defense” is so wrong as implicit/explicit in its prohibition is the surety that the politically connected/rich/police/military will be armed to subsequently abuse the unarmed at will.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            That’s a LOT of interesting conjecture and garbage alibis for no clear or lawful reasons. Do you have a direct link to Clarence Thomas’ private server with his notes that have NOTHING to do with how SCOTUS decisions should be reached pal?

            The problem with GUN morons is you believe ALL of the crap that you’ve been told in your alternate Universe of Fake news and False pretenses and your special world of LYING hypocrites.

            That’s just so “American Patriotic” in in it’s absolute denial of facts & truth. Now, it’s more understandable how you people , the deplorables, decided Don Trump is electable for anything. HE lies pathologically and that’s what the Right has been doing for over half a century now in most everything that you do.

            When do you think truth will matter again in American society? EVER, you plow boy MORON?

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            BTW: ” “a well regulated militia” only means a well equipped militia that was organized and maintained internal discipline. It does not imply the modern meaning of “regulated,” which means controlled or administered by some superior entity. Federal control over the militia comes from other parts of the Constitution, but not from the Second Amendment.”

            There is “NO modern meaning of militia” you DUMB Deke. The M-W dictionary is the meaning of militia.

            Why don’t we have “Well regulated militia -being necessary to the security of this free state” if that’s what THE Goddamn FOUNDERS WROTE FOOL?

          • ronwhatshisname

            That is why we own guns. Do you know what a revolution is?

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            [Do you have a direct link to Clarence Thomas’ private server with his notes that have NOTHING to do with how SCOTUS decisions should be reached pal?

            The problem with GUN morons is you believe ALL of the crap that you’ve been told in your alternate Universe of Fake news and False pretenses and your special world of LYING hypocrites.’] . . . . .

            I don’t see your point, about me, especially since you know NOTHING about me, do YOU Goon???

            Explain how I’m a danger & to whom?

            NRA = FASCISTS and whitey RACISTS…..

          • ronwhatshisname

            What dangers LURK right outside YOUR front door BOOB?

            You and people like you are those dangers.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Let’s see now, two months BACK in time, the election was barely settled then, right? Did Trump ever find those 3 million voter FRAUD votes, that stole the popular vote from him pal? We haven’t heard much more on that LIE of Trump’s , have we now?

            [Do you have a direct link to Clarence Thomas’ private server with his notes that have NOTHING to do with how SCOTUS decisions should be reached pal?

            The problem with GUN morons is you believe ALL of the crap that you’ve been told in your alternate Universe of Fake news and False pretenses and your special world of LYING hypocrites.’] . . . . .

            I don’t see your point, about me, especially since you know NOTHING about me, do YOU Goon???

            Explain how I’m a danger & to whom?

            I’ve not found it necessary to own or possess any gun for 45 years of my adult life (that’s after age 18, scum sukkr REB idiot)…. I’ve been in every major city in America, ALL of the biggest ones over the past 40 years : Los Angeles, Chicago, New Yortrk city, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, New Orleans, DFW, Kansas City, Denver, as well as having visited 44 of the lower 48 states.

            Now in ALL of those years and all of those REAL dangerous places, why have I never had any need of a “GUN on my person” for my security Buddy REB? What you goons SPEW as “the NRA Party line, is just absolute Bull Shiites. Old West COWBOY, hicks B.S. You shoudl get more of an educaton some day, RIGHT GUN boy?

            WAKE up Lunatic with a gun …

          • bob hicky

            you dont seem to know much about history, so until you learn more its a wast of time talking to you.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            History, Napoleon Bonaparte? Really, you don’t think I know any history?

            Joker man.. & FOOL . .. .

          • bob hicky

            witch napoleon bonapate are you talking about, there are 3 generations in that family named napoleon

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            I really don’t know the Bonapate family. Perhaps you know something of the Bonapate’s, right SCREW Ball lunatic?

          • bob hicky

            you must be a demorat

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Nope. I’m a centrist progressive.

            NICE Try OLD Salty DOG . . . ..

      • Netencho

        From your Sewer Trash, and Foul language, I will guess your a socialist, and a Hillary supporter. So I will say, just like the FALSE MEDIA, you put out false information. But than…. I can understand that… you being a Socialist. So if I was anyone out there… I wouldn’t put to much attention to the Sewer Trash you put out. God Bless
        I will not argue the point….. I will just say…. you should learn to read…. and know what you read before you start quoting letters and numbers. The GPD in the state or country can be up…. but that does not mean a damn thing, you should do your research before you start quoting information you copy out from the computer. FACT!!
        By itself the GDP tells very little. Simply a measure of total output (the dollar value of finished goods and services), it assumes that everything produced is by definition “goods.” It does not distinguish between costs and benefits, between productive and destructive activities, or between sustainable and unsustainable ones. The nation’s central measure of well being works like a calculating machine that adds but cannot subtract. It treats everything that happens in the market as a gain for humanity, while ignoring everything that happens outside the realm of monetized exchange, regardless of the importance to well-being.
        Actually the GDP is just an artifact of history, a relic of another era. It grew out of the challenges of the Depression and the Second World War, when the nation faced economic realities very different from today’s. Through history economic measurement has grown out of the beliefs and circumstances of the era. As Western economies went from agriculture to manufacturing to finance and services, modes of measurement generally evolved accordingly. But during this century, and especially since the war, the evolutionary process has slowed to a crawl. The market economy has continued to change radically. In particular it has penetrated deeper and deeper into the realms of family, community, and natural habitat that once seemed beyond its reach. But even as this change has accelerated, the way we measure economic health and progress has been frozen in place.
        So really in fact….. the GPD….. is of little effect, as it does not calculate all and every thing that happens and cost of what it should calculate.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/989c79fac3632f4782efa2eae3fcd2dbce37be5881d28d13cb6dcfcc0bc18914.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/89252c8be12af88df520bbbcccfc7fbc75331a155d5f21bd6ca2649979815810.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b5a4acae8cd9b30b3a43cc6f9ab50da51b7c6d4318451775fb2ac24d0df55a3f.jpg

        • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

          I didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton. OK Troglodyte, so save your vitriol for some one who CARES about what you have to say, OK Lunatic?

          GDP in the USA is $19 trillion for 2017. China’s GDP is not yet $10 trillion.

          WHAT’s YOUR Goddamn PROBLEM again LUNATIC?

          You don’t know SHIT about what you spew.

          Try reading some FACTUAL news sources TEA Party DIP Shiite Muslim LOSER boy! ! ! ! !

      • rhblommel

        Then why is Californcitation considering bankruptcy?

        • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

          I’ve sure haven’t heard that, so you can tell me why they’re considering it Bubba.

          Show me any REAL Media link to what you’re spewing more FAKE News about, OK BIG FELLA ! ! !

  • Tommy p
    • Roger

      Donald Trump has all the solutions! Hillary Clinton nary a clue!
      Donald Trump, the man that didn’t need to be President!
      Donald Trump, the man that America needed to be President!
      Trump-Pence, the dream team of and for the American people!
      Making America safer, stronger and greater than ever before!

      • Roger

        Donald Trump is so right so often about so much, that it is unbelievable! He is an unstoppable genius!

        • Roger

          Sixteen Republican challengers couldn’t stop Donald Trump, the Democrats couldn’t stop him, adversaries in his own party couldn’t stop him, the lying liberal media couldn’t stop him, the thug protesters hired by the Democrats to disrupt his rallies couldn’t stop him, crooked Hillary, despite her underhanded cheating and attempt to rig the election couldn’t stop him, so why are so many wasting their time? Donald Trump overcame adversity never before seen in the history of an American Presidential election and no one is going to stop him! I truly believe that Donald Trump will be the GREATEST President that America has ever seen! A safer, stronger more prosperous and greater than ever before AMERICA!

          • Roger

            Donald Trump will be able to lead us to prosperity with no help from our former failed President! He has built a cabinet of carefully selected advisors that can only help him make America, safer, stronger, more prosperous and greater than ever before! DONALD TRUMP IS MY PRESIDENT and PRESIDENT for all AMERICANS!

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Are you living in poverty Roger, the Dodger TEA Party hypocrite?

            What is wrong with almost 20,000 on the DJIA and family median income higher than it’s been since 1999, when WJ Clinton was in office?

            PERHAPS , a REAL world reality check would help you with your TEA Party “irrelevant COMPLAINing SYNDROME”, OLD MAN?

            Eh, fool?

          • Judy Selich

            How many years have we had the “political elite” corralling the power; the money; the influence and then telling us, we need to ante-up more money for their “special projects”? How often have those expensive “special projects” ever seen the light of day? Why do we continue to allow elected officials to continue to demand we support them financially, and then, see nothing in return?

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis ===>>>> Roger • a few seconds ago, the World JUST BLOWED UP ! ! ALL of a sudden Dim TWIT ! ! ! !

            Are you living in poverty Roger, the Dodger TEA Party hypocrite?

            What is wrong with almost 20,000 on the DJIA and family median income higher than it’s been since 1999, when WJ Clinton was in office?

            FACTS old maid, give ME FACTS.

            NOT TEA Party FAKE news hyperbole “PIZZA-gate” CRAP, OK loser?

  • CCblogging

    Remember that massive civilian army that Barack Jihad Obama promised to create in his first term as president? President Jihad said his army should just as big and powerful as our US Military. President Jihad is importing his army foot soldiers exclusively from Islamic nations. Has anyone noticed that the vast majority of Muslims that President Jihad is bringing to America are young able bodied men of Jihad age? Are you armed? You should be!

    • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

      Antonia Scalia, speaking form the grave, please explain this very pertinent “militia” definition by US congress just 110 years or so ago pal.

      10 U.S. Code § 311 – Militia: composition and classes

      (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
      (b) The classes of the militia are—
      (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
      (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
      (Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85–861, § 1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, § 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)

      ^^^*^*^^^^^*^*^*^^^^^^ *^*^*^*^*^^* Tell me WHY privately armed citizens now “UNORGANIZED militia”???

      Doesn’t 2nd Am specifically state” A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state”…..?

      RIGHT, GREAT ghost lunatic?

      • CCblogging

        Muslims are not loyal to our US Constitution but rather to the five pillars of Islam. I will keep my arsenal and you can take your chances of being helpless when those human impersonators kick it up a notch. You’re reckless.

        • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

          How many Muslim folks do you encounter in any typical day pal? Do you know ANY Muslim on any personal level?

          None and NO are your answers, RIGHT?

          Just curious from where your paranoid delusional concepts arise.

          Mpls MN has the highest Somali population in America. The Somali population her, in MSP, has a very low “law enforcement problem” rate with Minneapolis police.

          If you don’t believe me, GOOGLE It moron ! ! !

          You’re spewing Fake LIES, xenophobic CRAP and you really don’t realize that, do you Delusional Jake?

          • CCblogging

            ha, ha, ha, you stupid Soros’ troll

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            You’re too stupid to Google anything that will contradict your insane thinking, aren’t you TEA Party TROLL?

            DO IT FOOL ! ! ! !

      • Jerry

        The national guard is part of the standing Army, just like the regular army except they are allowed to be at home and meet and train on weekends usually, and called into service when needed, but they are paid by the government, so they are really not civilians, they are part of the armed forces.. Jefferson said this about the militia,the people need to be armed and in the militia to protect this country from invasion until an Army could be raised and then fight along side the army, There was no standing army at that time. Our founding fathers also said the militia is necessary to guard against tyranny even if it is our own government. Because they knew there would always be people, even in our own country, that would try to gain power over the people and take our freedoms away. That is why the 2nd amendment says, the right of the people to OWN and Bear arms shall not be infringed, that means in any way. We have the right to protect ourselves and our rights and freedoms at all times, no matter who says differently, even the Supreme Court or any other Court because the Courts can be used to take our freedoms which they are doing today.

        • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

          “The right of the people to KEEP & bear arms shall not be infringed” if you want the quote. BUT, the first clause puts no qualifications of ‘the People’s right”?

          People is NOT an individual, so I certainly see from current day absolute inadequacy of 2nd AM as interpreted, that “well regulated militia’ was indeed intended as a pre condition for ‘the people to keep & bear arms”.. GET it yet?

          The Founders never thought individuals should obtain arms just for “the fun of it” or in the 1890’s SCOTUS decision, “Any moron that wants a gun can get one”…..

          That sure doesn’t sound like the 27 words of the 2nd Amendment that is supposed to be blueprint for “Law of the Land” control -regulation of firearms in this country , TODAY . . . .

          Your Federalist Papers are just opinion of the 1780’s period. Those are NOT legal opinion , nor are they considerable as “support” for the tyrannical GOV B.S. If Founders indeed thought that was important, then it would have been included in more than just 27 words of 2nd AM, right?

          If they didn’t write down the words, then it was one opinion vs another, just like yours & mine today.

          Those ARE FACTS pal. Not NRA propaganda eternally B.S.’ing the GUN CROWD……

          • Jerry

            The federalist papers explain why we have the Bill of rights and why their is a Constitution, now if you want to be like Obama and say the Constitution does not apply today that is fine. OK, in your opinion the word people does not mean a person If someone says a crowd of human beings are people, that group of people is not made up of individuals. Oh by the way I am not your PAL ! I do not know you. I am here to express my opinion, not to be belittled by you or anyone else. So do not try to anger me by being rude. If you can not talk with other people with this type of behavior it just shows how unintelligent your are.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            PAL, please show me at what particular spot in the USA Constitution that states “Federalist Papers are a GOOD source of opinion and Law from the 1780’s”…OK dude.

            You have ZERO idea of what Constitutional Law involves or what the basis of of Constitutional Law might be.

            OK Jerry Lewis.?

            How’s the fund raising for the sick kids going these days, OLD MAN?

            Just curious you know, Bob Hope. Thanks for the “MEMORIES” OLD GOAT ! ! ! !

            All’s WELL , that Ends Well …RIGHT Boobbie TEA Party DOO Fusser about anything and everything Zeke?

          • Jerry

            It is too bad that you only spent 3 hours and 45 minutes studying the Constitution in high school. But that is not your fault. You can not make me angry because people like you are all over the internet, I have learned just to laugh at your kind. You and others like you are here to just stir up crap and can not carry on a conversation without doing so. Have a great new year LOL.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            What have you studied in your LIFE pal? Give me your CV so I can assess the merits of your education, OK little Jerry Seinfeld (the rooster)…..

            I have 18 years of education (ALL public EDUCATION) pal and a career in a healthcare profession completed. So I don’t think I miss much in 27 simple English words.

            HOW ABOUT YOU Homer Hylmelish, USMC Goofball?

          • Jerry

            You and your assumptions of me are way off. I have never been in the USMC. And your bragging about yourself shows you seem to be insecure. It does not impress anyone. L—O—L !!! Have a wonderful life, it seems you need one. Good by.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            My experience is how I make judgements about important stuff like Laws and when they’re totally ineffective, they need to be changed. Get it pal? The TEA Party illiteracy Society just spews your B.S.

            Then I refute any of what you think you call truth and then you quit, like babies.

            That’s how TEA Party doesn’t engage in civil discourse Jerry. I’ve been commenting on sites, of mainly TEA Party orientation for three yeas now. NOT one of you Bozo’s have ever proven anything that I disagree with you about.

            That’s how I know I’m right and TEA Party is a bunch of Hicksville hayseeds who don’t know much about that which your promote as “Facts & rational ideas”. You’re the most ideologically misguided and irrational people in the whole World.

  • Red Steiner

    What rock do these gun grabbers live under? America seems to be under attack by the muslims and ISIS and they claim it’s safe for us to go unarmed?

    • Roger

      To defeat terrorism we must use overwhelming, unrelenting force, there must be troops on the ground, not a few hundred or a few thousand but millions, tens of millions. We must hunt this vermin down wherever they are and eradicate it from the face of the earth!
      All of the good people in the world must unite and hunt the terrorist down and kill them as they kill. The good people of the world outnumber the terrorist by more than a million to one and we need to let the terrorist know that their days are numbered.
      WAKE UP WORLD NO ONE CAN PROTECT YOU BUT YOU!
      THIS IS THE ONLY WAY! THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!

      • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

        WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis = = == >>>>>> CCblogging • just 9 minutes ago

        Antonia Scalia, speaking form the grave, please explain this very pertinent “militia” definition by US congress just 110 years or so ago pal.

        10 U.S. Code § 311 – Militia: composition and classes

        (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
        (b) The classes of the militia are—
        (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
        (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
        (Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85–861, § 1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, § 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)

        ^^^*^*^^^^^*^*^*^^^^^^ *^*^*^*^*^^* Tell me WHY privately armed citizens now “UNORGANIZED militia”???

        Doesn’t 2nd Am specifically state” A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state”…..?

        RIGHT, GREAT ghost lunatic?

    • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

      You’re a paranoid delusional psychotic TEA Party Trump supporter, right?

      What ISIL activities (directed by “the leadership” in Syria) have taken place in the USA since Obama was elected in 2008 pal?

      Just post the list that will be of FAKE News quality for Shiites and White Trailer Trash Garbage slime Troglodyte low IQ & LOW information appeal… Does that sound OK to you TEA Time MORON????

      DO IT FOOL…..

      • Red Steiner

        Hey pussi boi, wishing you were using your name so I could find you, but since you aren’t read this. None have actually been attributed to your SISLASSAS but they were mostly Muslim. You vile speaking dim cowards amuse me.

        Authorities in San Bernardino, Calif., saying 14 people were killed and 14 others were injured
        in a mass shooting on Wednesday at a center for people with
        developmental disabilities. This is at least the third mass shooting
        since the rampage in Colorado Springs last Friday.

        A man identified by federal authorities
        as Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24, sprayed dozens of bullets at a
        military recruiting center, then drove to a Navy-Marine training
        facility and opened fire again before he was killed.

        A gunman at Fort Hood, the scene of a {A Muslim)
        deadly 2009 rampage, kills three people and injures 16 others, according
        to military officials. The gunman is dead at the scene.

        • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

          Hey , better RED, than DEAD goon, you need to back up your LIES with some links from some factual source pal.

          1) NO random attacks in the USA have been a ” ISIL plot” that was directed by Syrian leaders in America since Obama was elected. ALL of the “terrorism” shootings/events in this country have been lone wolf, sympathetic to ISIL persons , with NO direct links to any directors of these incidents.

          That is a BIG difference from what you lie and wrongly allege.

          2) Your Military , PTSD , rejected from service for incompetence guy, who flew from Alaska to Fort Lauderdale had his gun taken away when the FBI knew he was mentally ill and a freaking lunatic pal. WHY did THAT Guy get his gun back to go and murder people in Fort Lauderdale , you freaking DUMB KLOWN?

          Is that your version of “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of THIS free state” , you dumb looney BIRD, RED?

          Mass shootings have been occurring about weekly since Arvada Colorado & Newton CT shootings BOY ! ! So, what’s your solution for those events where mentally ill people get guns and murder LOTS of innocent people, you JACK ASS?

          How many murder-suicides have there been in the USA in the past 5 years? Thousands pal. The 2nd AM does NOT work as it’s legislated & interpreted by SCOTUS, so logically, it’s WRONG in this current LYING perpetration of gun violence in America.

          Get your head screwed on STRAIGHT you old BUZZARD, Red…

          • Red Steiner

            Lol I get it now, you’re one of those ignorant Dims who blow towel heads, aren’t you boi? I remember you from before, for years you have been spitting out your cowardly rhetoric. No one was even talking about your ISIS buddies. Please take a reading class so you know what the subject is boi and get tested for the muslim xtrain of aids. We need no more diseases brought here by you muslim loving dims.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Hey , better RED, than DEAD goon, you need to back up your LIES with some links from some factual source pal.

            1) NO random attacks in the USA have been a ” ISIL plot” that was directed by Syrian leaders in America since Obama was elected. ALL of the “terrorism” shootings/events in this country have been lone wolf, sympathetic to ISIL persons , with NO direct links to any directors of these incidents.

            That is a BIG difference from what you lie and wrongly allege.

            2) Your Military , PTSD , rejected from service for incompetence guy, who flew from Alaska to Fort Lauderdale had his gun taken away when the FBI knew he was mentally ill and a freaking lunatic pal. WHY did THAT Guy get his gun back to go and murder people in Fort Lauderdale , you freaking DUMB KLOWN?

            Is that your version of “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of THIS free state” , you dumb looney BIRD, RED?

            Mass shootings have been occurring about weekly since Arvada Colorado & Newton CT shootings BOY ! ! So, what’s your solution for those events where mentally ill people get guns and murder LOTS of innocent people, you JACK ASS?

            How many murder-suicides have there been in the USA in the past 5 years? Thousands pal. The 2nd AM does NOT work as it’s legislated & interpreted by SCOTUS, so logically, it’s WRONG in this current LYING perpetration of gun violence in America.

          • Red Steiner

            Such a cowardly little pussi boi. You really need to stop with your Obama written lies and get back under his desk. I’m sure your services there are appreciated. Your lack of knowledge and your atempst to use your vile lies are pretty pathetic boi. Good night you gutless wonder. I’m tired of reading your Obama inspired lies. Since you’re against arming ourselves to protect our lives, those of our children and America I find it sad that idiots like you will benefit from the protection gun owners will give to cowards like you. Take your prozac and crawl back under berry’s desk boi. That’s where you belong and it’s safe there because he has Secret Service Agents who have GUNS.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            You sure don’t answer simple questions well at all, do you Blathering & blustering idiot Red. How old are you? About 92 years old?

            Get a GODDAMN JOB you old cretin fool….

          • Red Steiner

            You braind dead little coward. ISIS or Your and Barry’s name for that group of cowardly little bois like your self which is ISIL was never mentioned. I said TERRORISTS and referred to your pseudo religious orientation called the MUSLIM faith. Seriously, take a reading course before you and your bois try to invade this country so you will know what we AMERICANS have in store for you. The muslim pussis like yourself you refer to have yelled out Muslim statements as they committed their cowardly crimes against unarmed Americans. You want us to feel guilty or dumb for having the means to protect ourselves, which won’t work. We defended America against much braver, less cowardly wimps than you, so I’m enlisting the aid of a patriotic group I belong to so we can know which country you’re sendint this trash from. In the mean time if you want to show me how brave and what a badass you are I’m easy to find boi. Poor little tough talking gutless muslim are sent home with their talis tucked between their legs.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Why are you speaking for me when you don’t know one Goddamn thing about me OLD Geek? Just answer one question for me RUBE.

            Is your Alaska to Fort Lauderdale PTSD ex Military guy one of “YOUR terrorists” of which you speak?

            Any mentally person with a gun becomes a “terror threat” you BOOB. How are you going to fix the non functioning “no felons or mentally ill persons ” prohibition for bearing Arms pal?

            This 2nd AM in it’s current form & interpretation does NOT work, as ALL of the mass murders in America blatantly demonstrate.

            Your head is in the sand or up the arseveldt, one or both. DUMB Deplorable IDIOT ! ! !

          • Laura Evans

            “This 2nd AM in it’s current form & interpretation does NOT work,”

            Bull. It works perfectly.

          • Laura Evans

            “How are you going to fix the non functioning “no felons or mentally ill persons ” prohibition for bearing Arms pal?”

            It doesn’t need fixing, it works like it is.

          • Red Steiner

            No one is speaking for you pussi boi. None of us speak using a coward’s vocabulary. If mentally ill persons are a threat then you certainly are a threat of the 1st order boi.

            The second amendment, in its current form was changed into that form first by Slick willie, your rapist friend and then later pervernte from its original form by Little Barry, your asshole buddy, little Barry the muslim.

            Since you hate America and our constitution so much move to one of the muslim nations. With your round mouth, sucking prowess and your kneeling ability they will keep you and feed you.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            You have avoided answering my questions about the PTSD Ex Militarist who went Zonk & bonkers, but had his gun given back to him so he could walk through the Fort Lauderdale baggage claim area, TOTALLY FREE & Unencumbered, shooting willy nillly old people returning from wherever & that’s just FINE ALL RIGHT WITH YOU …GFY DOPE ! ! !

            That sure is SOME PATRIOT DUDE ! ! AIN’t it you Beauregard Mench brained FOOL?

            Why are you so Goddamn PERVERSE about what you talk about OLD LUNATIC?

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            You still don’t know what “A Well regulated militia being necessary to the security of [this 21st century] free state” is about , do you OLD Codger lunatic with guns?

            Why would PTSD ex Military , security Guard , terrorism guy from Alaska get his gun back after he was clearly known to be mentally ill and psychotic.

            Shouldn’t the Law about mentally ill people being disqualified from “Bearing firearms” actually be enforced, OLD Zeke BOT Fool?

            C’MON MAAAAAN ! ! ! IDIOT ! ! ! !

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            WHASSUP OLD Dirt REB fool? Did you pass on to the GREAT after World of GUNS and DEAD people, RALPH?

          • ronwhatshisname

            Actually, by your posts you are more of a terrorist . you believe like a terrorist, I believe.

          • WHATCHU Talkin’boutWillis

            Crazy people that have guns, can kill lots of innocent people, which is quite terrifying, right?

            Is a menatlly ill person who goes on a mass killing rampage a terrorist, a HATE crime perpetrator or just a lunatic with a gun pal?

            You break down the mentally ill people with guns in Amercia situation, for us all here.

            You know ALL about mental illness, right?

            [“Your Military , PTSD , rejected from service for incompetence guy, who flew from Alaska to Fort Lauderdale had his gun taken away when the FBI knew he was mentally ill and a freaking lunatic pal. WHY did THAT Guy get his gun back to go and murder people in Fort Lauderdale ?

            Is that your version of “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of THIS free state” ?
            Mass shootings have been occurring about weekly since Arvada Colorado & Newton CT shootings BOY ! !
            So, what’s your solution for those events where mentally ill people get guns and murder LOTS of innocent people?

            How many murder-suicides have there been in the USA in the past 5 years? Thousands pal. The 2nd AM does NOT work as it’s legislated & interpreted by SCOTUS, so logically, it’s WRONG in this current LYING perpetration of gun violence in America.”] . . . . .

            READ more & learn more GUN MORON ! ! ! !

  • Myke Britt

    We need a background check FOR POTENTIAL GUN OWNERS…I’m conservative who learned the hard way 1958-1960 in West Germany how to protect and defend using body parts God provided me. I’m 81 years old and still remember the things we were required to do well enough to protect myself and my family with my bare hands. I do not own a gun but support those who choose to.
    The public still believe we were all enjoying a EUROPEAN VACATION PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYER DURING THE COLD WAR. Many of you veterans know exactly what I’m talking concerning the so-called “COLD WAR”!!

  • Benjamin Michel

    I hope that Trump will stop this law! We should be able to by a gun and take it home!

  • Dannie Poe

    I would love to have Trump proclaim that any person who passes a background check and purchases their gun legally has the right to carry their gun for self protection accept in places that prevent guns (No Gun Zones). These No Guns Zones must be defined by Congress and backed by the Supreme Court before they can be considered No Gun Zones. I think every US Patriot feels places like courtrooms, on a plane, in public schools, prisons or jails, and hospitals could qualify as No Gun Zones. Any business that does business should also dictate their areas gun free if they choose to. The question of personal protection then could be up to the person to carry or not. In areas that allow for free flow of traffic could be considered as legal carry areas. On the street, in a park, in your car, at a entertainment venue, etc. should be legal carry areas. Of course areas can continue to restrict carry to law enforcement personnel in areas considered No Gun Zones. More than anything I hope Trump takes the guns out of the hands of the criminals and enforces strong penalties on persons who use a gun while committing a crime. If a person is mentally impaired and uses a gun to kill they should never be freed back to the streets. Murder is murder no matter how one might define it. Insane or not they still killed.

  • Jerry

    The ninth circuit has been anti 2nd amendment for many years now and chipping away at the Constitution as much as possible. But I have to say the Supreme court has been helping because they have not overturned the rulings of the Ninth Circuit. All three branches in Washington are corrupt. It is right before your eyes, Congress did nothing to stop the illegal executive orders of Bush or Obama, they set back and did nothing when he should have been impeached for that and for breaking the oath he took when he entered office. And he also aided and abetted criminals that crossed our borders and are still in this country.

  • William Brenton

    This has already been struck down by the supreme court. It is unconstitutional to make a citizen wait to get their firearm. The judges who ruled against it are guilty of treason and need to be executed.

  • maxx

    What word in “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” does the Appeals Court not understand? When a federal court is populated with progressives / liberals it doesn’t matter. They just ignore the entire Constitution.

  • Twisted Psyche

    There is NOTHING in Our Second Amendment that mentions ANYTHNG of REGISTRATION!!!! This course MUST be REFUSED!!!! I want ALL of Our Second Amendment RESTORED to what it once was!!!!

    • Jerry

      There is nothing in the Constitution or bill of rights that requires the registration of citizens weapons. In 1941 there was federal law passed against gun registration because this country and others had seen what Hitler did with the registration list Germany had compiled. If the anti gunners have not repealed it, it is still on the books. Concealed Carry is an infringement, One reason is the Supreme Court has already ruled years ago in a case that it is illegal to charge a fee a for exercising a right. Two the law I just told you about. Constitutional carry by law abiding citizens is all that is allowed under the Constitution